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How can a $14,000 bicycle possibly be worth the money?

Old 01-13-23, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
There are a lot of custom/high end road bikes from 20 years ago that are still "usable" in the sense that they work, but they're limited in many ways compared to more modern bikes.
As the owner of a couple of high-end 20+ year old bikes, I'm curious about what factors you see as limiting. This is genuine curiosity, not trying to pick a fight.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
And a $500 bike is more practical and can do everything and even more than a $2000 - $3000 bicycle can. And a $100 bike is more practical and can do everything and even more than a $500 bicycle can ...
vonfilm I think you missed the sarcasm of that post.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I have no problem with people spending large amounts of money on recreation and hobbies.

I do tend to believe that products are only the sum of their parts. A $14,000 bicycle has very few parts. I could take one completely apart and put it back together in one day. Try that with a $14,000 motorcycle.

At least a Rolex watch will generally go up in value. A $14,000 bicycle will be worth a small fraction of its value in 10 years.
And No, I canít take a Rolex apart and put it back together.

Most people in the car business will only buy used vehicles because they know how fast they lose their value.
Cheap calculators must totally blow your mind. For just a few dollars you can get a device that has a ton of tiny and complicated parts that would be impossible for the layperson to take apart and re-assemble. They even have tiny friggin solar panels. Think of the engineering...
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
And a $500 bike is more practical and can do everything and even more than a $2000 - $3000 bicycle can.
You said it, not me....Now your'e getting into a different territory and comparing department store bikes to brand name bikes.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
As the owner of a couple of high-end 20+ year old bikes, I'm curious about what factors you see as limiting. This is genuine curiosity, not trying to pick a fight.
Tire clearance is the main thing. A lot of race-oriented bikes from that era can't fit anything bigger than 23s.
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Originally Posted by msu2001la
Tire clearance is the main thing. A lot of race-oriented bikes from that era can't fit anything bigger than 23s.
Valid. I can get 25s on my Colnago, but I'm not 100% sure I could on my Time. That said, I'm running 25s on my newer (but still rim brake) Storck, and probably won't change.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
everyone puts a different worth on the things they buy or don't buy.
Yes, and the whole point is to ask the buyers of these bikes to explain why this bike is worth $14k to them. Don't just answer with 'Because reasons'.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I have no problem with people spending large amounts of money on recreation and hobbies.

I do tend to believe that products are only the sum of their parts. A $14,000 bicycle has very few parts. I could take one completely apart and put it back together in one day. Try that with a $14,000 motorcycle.

At least a Rolex watch will generally go up in value. A $14,000 bicycle will be worth a small fraction of its value in 10 years.
And No, I canít take a Rolex apart and put it back together.

Most people in the car business will only buy used vehicles because they know how fast they lose their value.
What about a Rolex bicycle? What if Rolex and Specialized for instance paired together and released a bicycle that cost double the amount of money you were whinging about in this thread? What if it were Rolex and Gucci (pronounced Guh-key to piss off those who value that particular brand) with Specialized?

A watch costing $400,000 is seemingly OK but a bike costing a fraction of that that can get you places and give you more fun than a simple time telling device which has been kind of outpaced by a phone or a less expensive but also still not cheap watch that also can take calls and send messages and what not.

Again this is a bike forum, bikes are awesome. Why a bike is ridiculous here but a watch isn't is kind of odd.
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Old 01-13-23, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
Yes, and the whole point is to ask the buyers of these bikes to explain why this bike is worth $14k to them. Don't just answer with 'Because reasons'.
See reason #2.
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
Just because one can afford to spend $14,000 on a bicycle doesnít mean one should. Donít encourage the manufacturerís to overprice their products. Would you trust your life to a doctor who is stupid enough to spend $14,000 on a bicycle?
Would you trust your life to a doctor stupid enough to spend the money required to purchase an overpriced luxury car from you with your life?

Were you forced to buy the $14,000 bike? No? I'm so happy for you. Now crawl back under your bridge, troll.
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Old 01-13-23, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by vonfilm
I have no problem with people spending large amounts of money on recreation and hobbies.

I do tend to believe that products are only the sum of their parts. A $14,000 bicycle has very few parts. I could take one completely apart and put it back together in one day. Try that with a $14,000 motorcycle.

At least a Rolex watch will generally go up in value. A $14,000 bicycle will be worth a small fraction of its value in 10 years.
And No, I canít take a Rolex apart and put it back together.

Most people in the car business will only buy used vehicles because they know how fast they lose their value.
Since a lot of the difference in price comes down to the carbon fiber used, and the complexity of the layup, I'm pretty sure you can't do that in any meaningful way. Plus, you're talking about taking complete components off a complete frame, not taking the individual components down to their smallest pieces and putting them back together.

A Rolex, BTW, has no more parts than any other autowind watch and you can snag those for pretty cheap, and they might just do the job of keeping time as well as the Rolex. The Timex mentioned above will probably do a BETTER job of keeping time, largely by virtue of not being mechanical.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Why in the world would anyone care if their new bike was going to be functional in 120 years?
If you are as old as Rideabent, that's kind of like next Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
See reason #2.
Why are you feeding the troll post then? The best way to shut down a troll post is to answer with a substantive answer and steer the conversation away from mud slinging.
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
Why are you feeding the troll post then? The best way to shut down a troll post is to answer with a substantive answer and steer the conversation away from mud slinging.
Same question ...

I was responding directly to a question you posed. Did you want an answer to your question or do your prefer that everyone simply ignore it?

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Expanding on the Rolex theme, Rolex and the other high end mechanical watch makers did an amazing job selling an inferior product as a luxury item. I say "inferior product", because prior to the advent of quartz watches, what you got when you paid more for a watch was greater accuracy and reliability. Along comes quartz, with an inherent accuracy that mechanical watches could never dream of. And yet the Swiss were able to actually move farther upmarket with a product that does a worse job at its primary task. At least an expensive road bike generally does a better job at its primary task than a cheaper one, even it it's a matter of ounces or a few watts of wind resistance.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
I was responding directly to a question you posed. Did you want an answer to your question or do your prefer that everyone simply ignore it?
You didn't respond with any answers though. Your response was the same 'it's worth $14k because it's worth $14k' non-answer that everyone else gave.
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A $14,000 bike is about 1% to 2% better at the most than a bike that costs $5,000, so you have to decide if spending 3 times the amount of money is worth the 1% improvement. At $5,000 you can get a 15 pound bike with Dura Ace components, so what will you gain with a $14,000 bicycle? As you can see not much.

By the way, $15,000 bikes are more fragile for everyday road riding than a $5,000 bike.
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
You didn't respond with any answers though. Your response was the same 'it's worth $14k because it's worth $14k' non-answer that everyone else gave.
I most clearly did not. I responded to your post expressing frustration that people were not answering the OP's question, by listing two reasons why that might be happening.
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Originally Posted by greatscott
A $14,000 bike is about 1% to 2% better at the most than a bike that costs $5,000 ...
I loooove it when people pull numbers out of their butt. It feels so ... scientific.
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Originally Posted by greatscott
By the way, $15,000 bikes are more fragile for everyday road riding than a $5,000 bike.
How so? Have you done any sort of scientific testing on a 15k vs a 5k bike from the same manufacturer with the same shapes and geo and what not?
Or is it just a perception that a more expensive bike must be more delicate because of price?

Anecdotal evidence isn't useful here so that friend you had with an S-Works that cracked because he smacked into a road sign but when you did it on your 3k Trek Ednoma that one time it was fine. It is not a useful argument without actual testing.
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Originally Posted by greatscott
At $5,000 you can get a 15 pound bike with Dura Ace components.
You have me curious...got a link?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
I loooove it when people pull numbers out of their butt. It feels so ..
I love it when people try to make an argument of something they don't understand, but fail miserably.

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I love it when people try to make an argument of something they don't understand, but fail miserably.
Are you claiming the 1% - 2% figure you cited is based on measurements? Tell me more...

(Don't inject political barbs into this -- it's real bush league.)
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Originally Posted by greatscott
A $14,000 bike is about 1% to 2% better at the most than a bike that costs $5,000, so you have to decide if spending 3 times the amount of money is worth the 1% improvement. At $5,000 you can get a 15 pound bike with Dura Ace components, so what will you gain with a $14,000 bicycle? As you can see not much.

By the way, $15,000 bikes are more fragile for everyday road riding than a $5,000 bike.
If every additional expense must be justified with some sort of measurable factor of improvement in equivalent proportion, then a $14k bike is a terrible choice over a $5k bike. However, some people are emotionally stimulated by riding a bike that is the pinnacle of current technology, and have the financial means to be able to scratch that itch. Utilitarian practicality and concerns about long-term durability generally aren't significant considerations in the decision at this level. If I had the financial means, I would be one of those people because hot bikes excite me, and I've been doing this thing long enough to recognize and appreciate some of the subtle differences between good and great. Even if I'm not getting down the road any faster than I would on a cheaper bike, pleasure in the journey is part of the joy of riding. If my enjoyment level is increased, there is value in that to me, even if it's not a measurable factor.
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Further, you could slap new tires on a 120 year old Wright Brothers bike, and it would work just fine. But----I would bet that in 120 years from now, one of those $14,000 plastic bikes would probably shatter if you gave it a big thump with your finger then.
It's rather comforting to see that the opinions @rydabent offers without knowledge extends to material science.

Can someone remind me how to mute an account?
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