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Old 01-17-23, 10:33 AM
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I just spent the last 5 days in Lincoln, I can confirm the weather was poor and facilitated dumb topics like this
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Old 01-17-23, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
The problem with your Porsche analogy is that the Macan does not sit at the top of their lineup in pricing. Itís kind of like their low / mid price gravel bike.
A Ford Explorer would be a low/mid price gravel bike. A Macan is like the low end of the Colnago lineup.
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
So does any one know what the actual cost of a $14,000 bike is to the mfg? What is their profit.

Also what is the huge difference between a $5000 bike and a $14,000 bike? Im talking the actual mechanical difference.
Why do you care about this? Are you actually considering purchasing either of these bikes or just looking to set off another troll thread?
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
What makes the op such a pro is his ability to resist the urge to feed the thread and let it run.
He knows that all the responses will be either in agreement or wrong, so why read them?
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
Is $14,000 a lot? I guess it's relative.

In 1984, the Raleigh Olympic time trial bikes cast $25,000 each--or about $70,000 in today's dollars.
And those were designed exclusively for use in the Olympic velodrome: single gear, no derailleurs, no brakes.

I think smd4's post wins this thread, in the face of terrific competition.
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Old 01-17-23, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
A Ford Explorer would be a low/mid price gravel bike. A Macan is like the low end of the Colnago lineup.
Sure, but not really relevant in the analogy:

Originally Posted by rsbob View Post
I could extrapolate that the same high end bikes also support the low-end bikes of the same manufacturer, but have no concrete evidence.
Again, the analogy doesn't work because the Macan isn't Porsche's "high end bike." In fact, the Macan is Porsche's lowest priced model so, if anything, the real analogy would be "low end bikes supporting the high end bikes of the same manufacturer."
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Old 01-17-23, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
So does any one know what the actual cost of a $14,000 bike is to the mfg? What is their profit.

Also what is the huge difference between a $5000 bike and a $14,000 bike? Im talking the actual mechanical difference.
My $14,000 bike cost $14,000 to build.
I could give you an itemized parts list with receipts if you are interested.
But, for now:
$800 in spokes that are so light the float on water mated to $1300 rims and $600 hubs. (Both lighter & significantly cheaper than Enve's & DT Swiss' offerings)
$350 seat post
$250 saddle
$70 seat post clamp
$100 skewers
$200 stem
$400 handle bar
$130 headset
$130 chainrings
$250 cassette
$80 chain
$2500 crankset (with power meter)
$180 bottom bracket
$3700 frame
$700 fork
$350 brake rotors
$225 water bottle cages
$100 ti-bolts
Used/free XTR 9000 hydraulic brakes
Used/free pedals
Used/free tires
Aican shift cables & segmented housing


Did I forget anything?
Oh, yeah, the groupset!
Dura-Ace 9100 hydro-mechanical shifters on clearance $250 & matching derailleurs.

As a rough calculation the total comes to ~$13,095-ish plus the tax and shipping & import duties for a bunch of items I don't exactly remember with out digging up the receipts.

Definitely approaching $14,000
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C5F93900-EB33-4767-B6B0-B3E375B2DCD5 by Richard Mozzarella, on Flickr

If anyone can come up with a STEEL disc brake tubeless bike in size 58cm that weighs less & costs less I'd be interested in how it was done.

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Old 01-17-23, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post
My $14,000 bike ...
How much does the frame weigh?
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Old 01-17-23, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
How much does the frame weigh?
1946 grams. I'm easily at a ~1200 gram disadvantage over a respectable carbon frame of most any variety & I know that.

Steel rides nice though.
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I don't feel like participating in this thread.
You just did.
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Old 01-17-23, 12:37 PM
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Old 01-17-23, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
I think someone in this thread has been drinking magic yak urine.
Probably not, but a $14,000 bike must have its chain lubed with unicorn ear wax!!!!!
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Old 01-17-23, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Sure, but not really relevant in the analogy:

Again, the analogy doesn't work because the Macan isn't Porsche's "high end bike." In fact, the Macan is Porsche's lowest priced model so, if anything, the real analogy would be "low end bikes supporting the high end bikes of the same manufacturer."
Valid.

I'm doubtful that $14k bikes are a majority contributor to Spec's bottom line. The profit per unit might be the highest, but I my wild-@$$ guess is that bikes in the sub-$5k range (maybe even sub-$2k) are the foundation. If that's the case, the Macan analogy fits better.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
More money gets you higher grades of carbon fiber, and a different and more complex layup which, which is done by hand, as well as the engineering and design that allows it to be made. And what are you but 11 gallons of water and a few bucks worth of chemicals?
We sometimes spend $100,000 putting people back together in repair shops we call hospitals and those people have a net value of what? $30?
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
We sometimes spend $100,000 putting people back together in repair shops we call hospitals and those people have a net value of what? $30?
Clearly, we need to cease this worthless practice. The economics just don't make sense.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
We sometimes spend $100,000 putting people back together in repair shops we call hospitals and those people have a net value of what? $30?
I'm in the upper echelon of society -- I'm appraised at $37.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
Unfortunately, that screen shot truncated the thread titles:

Actual cost to build a $14,000 bike ... on my planet.

So much resistance to change ... is my life philosophy.

The most underrated thing about bents and trikes ... is you're close to the ground when you fall over.

Is it really a conundrum ... why I annoy so many people?

When will they ever learn ... not to fall for my troll threads?

So what will be the "newest" thing in gearing ... derailleurs?

Time to diversify ... I'm going to troll a new sub forum.

It just doesn't make any sense ... how can everyone else on the planet disagree with me?

Bike mileage ... and why people who don't ride bents are stupid.

A couple of things I don't understand ... about getting along with other people.

Tubes losing air tip ... like me, fill them with hot air.

You know you are slowing down ... when I catch up with you.

A little good news ... my internet service is being disconnected tomorrow.

Be nice ... or you'll end up like me.
Comedy gold! My co-workers all looked in to see what I was laughing about.
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Comedy gold! My co-workers all looked in to see what I was laughing about.
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Originally Posted by Kontact View Post
Aside from luxury price points, the main thing that raises the price is all the middlemen that each add a margin.
Sounds like a great reason for Direct To Consumer bike sales!!!
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Originally Posted by base2 View Post
My $14,000 bike cost $14,000 to build.
I could give you an itemized parts list with receipts if you are interested.
But, for now:
$800 in spokes that are so light the float on water mated to $1300 rims and $600 hubs. (Both lighter & significantly cheaper than Enve's & DT Swiss' offerings)
$350 seat post
$250 saddle
$70 seat post clamp
$100 skewers
$200 stem
$400 handle bar
$130 headset
$130 chainrings
$250 cassette
$80 chain
$2500 crankset (with power meter)
$180 bottom bracket
$3700 frame
$700 fork
$350 brake rotors
$225 water bottle cages
$100 ti-bolts
Used/free XTR 9000 hydraulic brakes
Used/free pedals
Used/free tires
Aican shift cables & segmented housing


Did I forget anything?
Oh, yeah, the groupset!
Dura-Ace 9100 hydro-mechanical shifters on clearance $250 & matching derailleurs.

As a rough calculation the total comes to ~$13,095-ish plus the tax and shipping & import duties for a bunch of items I don't exactly remember with out digging up the receipts.

Definitely approaching $14,000
As ridden:
2C7F0889-137A-48C4-9DDE-50E3C076A460 by Richard Mozzarella, on Flickr

C5F93900-EB33-4767-B6B0-B3E375B2DCD5 by Richard Mozzarella, on Flickr

If anyone can come up with a STEEL disc brake tubeless bike in size 58cm that weighs less & costs less I'd be interested in how it was done.
Why would anyone build a bike like that? It's too small for me.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Sounds like a great reason for Direct To Consumer bike sales!!!
Though, by his apparent definition of Specialized as "Middleman", it might be a great reason for Direct To Consumer sales of raw materials.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
Sounds like a great reason for Direct To Consumer bike sales!!!
Canyon Ultimate CFR with Dura Ace Di2 or Red eTap can be yours for the bargain price of $11k.
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Canyon Ultimate CFR with Dura Ace Di2 or Red eTap can be yours for the bargain price of $11k.
Yes, but are they Worth It?

(Pats pockets looking for money. Fails to find that much. )
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist View Post
I just spent the last 5 days in Lincoln, I can confirm the weather was poor and facilitated dumb topics like this
What is dumb about wondering just how much profit is made and by who on a $14,000 bike.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Yes, but are they Worth It?

(Pats pockets looking for money. Fails to find that much. )
1) Definitely
B) Not even a little bit

Your choice.
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