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Difference between someone who rides a bicycle and a "cyclist" socioeconomic?

Old 05-06-23, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
Is the difference between someone who rides a bicycle and a "cyclist" their socioeconomic class?
Pretentiousness.
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Hearkening back to the SAT test taking days:

"Cyclist" is to "person who rides a bike"
as
"athlete" is to "person who exercises".
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
If you think it is a troll, why keep taking the bait?​​
Good point.

​​​​​I wasn't trying to make a point, but I asked questions to start a discussion. I wanted to read what other people think about how cycling influences our own identity and the way we perceive the identity of others in our culture. Specifically, I inquired about the divide between leisure cycling by the priviledged class that enjoys good health, good education, good families, good occupations, and good neighborhoods and bicycle use by people who do not enjoy those priviledges. What do you think about this divide? What are your thoughts on this? One of the things I mentioned in my first post was intergenerational elasticity of social, physiological, and cultural capital. This is the degree of deviation in these asset levels between generations. An increase in inequality, that is the disparity in asset levels between the leisure cyclist and the displaced campers, has been observed to correlate to less deviation in asset levels between generations. In simpler terms, as inequality increases, intergenerational social mobility decreases -- more people possess unequal asset levels and the inequality persists increasingly just because they were born that way. This isn't the point I'm trying to make, but a fact that prefaces my question. What do you make of the difference here?
I misunderstood your intent.

I'm not without my opinions, but I have been told previously to keep them out of General Cycling. Suffice it to say that in a healthy, functional society, this problem wouldn't arise, and I agree that inequality is increasing.

About 30 years ago my then touring partner was doing a medical residency and we showed up to a BBQ hours before we were to depart with fully loaded bikes. The physician he reported to was hosting the BBQ and when we arrived, he said with a sneer that we looked like a couple of homeless people.

That has since stuck with me. I'm still not entirely clear how to unpack that, 30 years on...
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
does rising inequality increasingly exclude people from being regarded as "cyclists?"
It's been established here recently that the financial commitment needed to obtain a bike suitable for a cycling enthusiast is very low. Well within the means of any adult with an income. People w/o income probably have no more interest in becoming cyclists than in becoming golfers.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Hearkening back to the SAT test taking days:

"Cyclist" is to "person who rides a bike"
as
"athlete" is to "person who exercises".
Sorry but no exercise alone is not enough to make one an athlete....An athlete is a person who regularly participates in competitive events and follows a strict workout protocol which is designed to make them better at whatever they are competing....Just going out to a gym and exercising or going out for a jog or a bike ride doesn't make one an athlete.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Hearkening back to the SAT test taking days:

"Cyclist" is to "person who rides a bike"
as
"athlete" is to "person who exercises".
Originally Posted by wolfchild
Sorry but no exercise alone is not enough to make one an athlete....An athlete is a person who regularly participates in competitive events and follows a strict workout protocol which is designed to make them better at whatever they are competing....Just going out to a gym and exercising or going out for a jog or a bike ride doesn't make one an athlete.
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Originally Posted by phughes
Pretentiousness.
No. Trolling. I recognize it from his work in other forums.
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
Is this a cyclist? Or do cyclists have good health, good education, good families, good occupations, and good neighborhoods? If intergenerational elasticity of social, physiological, and cultural capital is correlated to inequality, does rising inequality increasingly exclude people from being regarded as "cyclists?"
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Just going out to a gym and exercising or going out for a jog or a bike ride doesn't make one an athlete.
Agreed. Nor does hopping on a bike and riding around make one a cyclist.

Nor does fixing a leaking toilet once make one a plumber.

Et cetera.
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Originally Posted by Herzlos
I know the Dutch have different terms for a bicycle user (someone who uses a bicycle as a tool to travel) and a cyclist (someone who cycles for a hobby/makes it a part of their personality). The people on here are almost all obsessed enough to talk about it on the internet, though some of the former will have stumbled here trying to find information about bikes / repairs / etc.

I'm a bicycle user when I'm riding my folding bike to work in my work clothes, and a cyclist when I've got the road bike out on a Saturday morning in full lycra.
I'm like you.

This YouTube video takes a deep dive into the difference between "cyclists (wielrenners)" and "people who ride bikes (fietsers)", and how it does not make sense to make that distinction.

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Of all the different hobbies and activities out there, cycling seems to have most divisions between people who enjoy doing the same thing.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Of all the different hobbies and activities out there, cycling seems to have most divisions between people who enjoy doing the same thing.
Perhaps that's because bicycle riding, while deceptively simple at a basic level, can be done in so many different ways that it no longer resembles the "same thing".

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Originally Posted by indyfabz
No. Trolling. I recognize it from his work in other forums.
Yeah well, I got that. I was only counter trolling.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Perhaps that's because bicycle riding, which deceptively simple at a basic level, can be done in so many different ways that it no longer resembles the "same thing".
Yeah, kinda like driving a family sedan on the weekend vs driving a racing car.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Of all the different hobbies and activities out there, cycling seems to have most divisions between people who enjoy doing the same thing.
A couple of decades ago, our bike club had a psychologist who rode with us and attended meetings. He said he found bicycling organizations fascinating, in that cycling seems to attract strong individualists, who then (attempt to) work cooperatively in group rides and in club management, and the tension between the two can cause some lively interactions. It might also help to explain a history of clubs begetting other clubs as riders broke away to do their own thing.
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Originally Posted by tcs
Meh. Iíve done that.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
It's been established here recently that the financial commitment needed to obtain a bike suitable for a cycling enthusiast is very low. Well within the means of any adult with an income. People w/o income probably have no more interest in becoming cyclists than in becoming golfers.
I didn't mention a financial commitment. What I mentioned was health, neighborhood, occupation, family, and education. Those 20-something bicycles that were found in the encampment under the freeway in the photo in the original post -- I'm pretty sure that nobody there had a financial commitment to them. The one in the photo was a Specialized, full-suspension Stumpjumper with Fox shock and fork. In 2013 when the photo was taken, it was most certainly suitable for a cycling enthusiast and it was quite apparently within the means of adults with no income to obtain because obtain it they did, and 20-something others. Nevertheless, we can fairly surmise that the inhabitants of the former freeway camp, despite obviously having an abundance of bikes suitable for cycling enthusiasts, did not have all the benefits of good health, a good neighborhood, good family, a good occupation, and good education. So are you saying that those circumstances preclude them from becoming cyclists (or golfers) despite their having ample equipment?
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Of all the different hobbies and activities out there, cycling seems to have most divisions between people who enjoy doing the same thing.
Tribalism. As someone who rides multiple different types of bikes on a frequent basis, the negativity between groups bothers me.

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Originally Posted by indyfabz
No. Trolling. I recognize it from his work in other forums.
You mean like that one where it was asked if cycling is just for leftists?
Or the one where it was inquired whether concealed carry was just for proles?
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Perhaps that's because bicycle riding, while deceptively simple at a basic level, can be done in so many different ways that it no longer resembles the "same thing".
An example: a lay person seeing a pro rider in the Giro or Vuelta would call them a bike rider. A pro rider may not see themselves as anything but a professional cyclist, or former pro, and the the majority of cyclists here, as recreational or fitness riders. Itís all a matter of perspective. And does any of it really matter? Only if your ego is involved.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
It's been established here recently that the financial commitment needed to obtain a bike suitable for a cycling enthusiast is very low. Well within the means of any adult with an income. People w/o income probably have no more interest in becoming cyclists than in becoming golfers.
Established? I saw that claim being made and thought about challenging it yesterday but decided to let it go. It's been claimed here recently, with no evidence at all. And your assumptions about what people without income have interest in are equally unfounded.
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So now we get a bit of socio-political concern trolling with our dumpster diving in general..

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Originally Posted by greatbasin
So are you saying that those circumstances preclude them from becoming cyclists (or golfers) despite their having ample equipment?
Did I say that? I certainly didn't intend to.
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Originally Posted by retswerb
Established? I saw that claim being made and thought about challenging it yesterday but decided to let it go. It's been claimed here recently, with no evidence at all. And your assumptions about what people without income have interest in are equally unfounded.
How would you challenge this?
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