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Difference between someone who rides a bicycle and a "cyclist" socioeconomic?

Old 05-07-23, 07:57 AM
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There must be something special about that $450 price, because the last two bikes I sold went for the same: an Orbea and a Ridley. (Both had 11 speed Campy Athena/Chorus, Campy Zonda/Fulcrum Racing 3 wheels, and were in perfect condition.)

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How would you challenge this?
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Agreed. Nor does hopping on a bike and riding around make one a cyclist.

Nor does fixing a leaking toilet once make one a plumber.

Et cetera.

But being on a bicycle by definition makes one a cyclist. It's literally what the word means. The analogy I'd draw is operating a motor vehicle makes one a motorist.

"Cyclist" is a noun, if you want to narrow the category you're discussing, apply an adjective.

That man appears to be basically living out of his bicycle rig. He's probably more connected to that vehicle 24/7 than even a TdF rider.
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
...does rising inequality increasingly exclude people from being regarded as "cyclists?"
If you get hit by a car while riding your bike the headline will read "Cyclist Hit By Car On Some Street In Whatever Town". If you are on skates it will read: "Skater Hit By Car etc." So if you are currently RIDING a bicycle, like it or not, you ARE a cyclist.

Outside of that, I do not like being introduced to new people as "Meet Joey, he's a CYCLIST!" any more than my wife wants to be introduced as a motorist. Since I use a bike strictly for utilitarian purposes I have never felt like I was a cyclist per se. I'm a "commuter". I use my bikes for long vacations same as a motor-home (cross country trips up to 7 months) so I guess I'm a "vacationer" also. I enjoy hiking, skating, canoeing, kayaking, laying around in a hammock, etc. So what exactly AM I?

These are the questions that keep us out of the good schools.

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Originally Posted by livedarklions
But being on a bicycle by definition makes one a cyclist. It's literally what the word means. The analogy I'd draw is operating a motor vehicle makes one a motorist.
Yeah, I get that definition. But words have different meanings to different people, and language evolves. I reserve the word “cyclist” for someone with a certain minimal level of proficiency and enthusiasm for the activity.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Yeah, I get that definition. But words have different meanings to different people, and language evolves. I reserve the word “cyclist” for someone with a certain minimal level of proficiency and enthusiasm for the activity.
You use it the way you want, but you were clearly implying that any other definition than the one you are using is incorrect. I'm not buying it.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Yeah, I get that definition. But words have different meanings to different people, and language evolves. I reserve the word “cyclist” for someone with a certain minimal level of proficiency and enthusiasm for the activity.
Makes sense to me but around here I find it safer to use the term cycling enthusiast.
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Majority of non-cycling public can't tell a difference between a touring cyclist and a tramp or vagrant on a bicycle.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Makes sense to me but around here I find it safer to use the term cycling enthusiast.
Cycling enthusiast is actually a perfect description for somebody who doesn't participate in competitive events, races and group training rides, but who still loves riding and tinkering with bikes.
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Most every dictionary definition says that a cyclist is a person that rides a bicycle or a motorcycle

So to add anything more to the requirements is just elitism or ignorance. And maybe a few other things I can't think of the proper word for at the moment or that would get me banned for vulgarity.

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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
How would you challenge this?
Challenge it? It's an unsupported assertion - nothing more, nothing less.

You assert that $300 "is insignificant for any adult with an income." I disagree.

Source? For a few years I was an adult with an income (multiple incomes actually, from multiple simultaneous jobs) and five mouths to feed, with every month budgeted to the penny. I'm incredibly thankful not to be in that situation anymore - same mouths to feed, more income with which to do it. The difference between $150 and $450 in those days was immense.
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And you feel as if you were thwarted in your desire to become a cyclist?
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Majority of non-cycling public can't tell a difference between a touring cyclist and a tramp or vagrant on a bicycle.
That's because there is no difference.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
You use it the way you want, but you were clearly implying that any other definition than the one you are using is incorrect. I'm not buying it.
Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
That's because there is no difference.
I have speculated (elsewhere) that part of the motivation to spend a lot of money on a bike and visibly-branded kit, for some folks, is to exaggerate the differences.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
And you feel as if you were thwarted in your desire to become a cyclist?
Not sure why it matters, but sure - if you want to put it that way. I bought a used Specialized MTB from a garage sale nearly 20 years ago, my first adult-out-of-college bike. I didn't know what I needed, and in my ignorance didn't realize it was way too small for me. I rode it occasionally through the years but never enjoyed riding much since my back hurt any time I rode more than a few minutes. At some point I figured out that the bike was probably the wrong size, but I couldn't afford to replace it at the time - and by the time I had more money available, in the language of this thread, I had decided I wasn't really a cyclist and so didn't care anymore.

During the height of the pandemic I started riding a little more, out and about with my kids. Took the bike in to my local co-op to do a couple of things, and they showed me how far off the sizing was. I replaced it not too long after with a bike that fit me, and lo and behold it turned out that riding is fun. I'm at N+3 since that bike now, and I don't take for granted that I have the $$ to be able to do that. And yes, I bristle when I hear people who have apparently never had to count change in order to buy groceries making assumptions about what any adult with an income can or can't afford. Having an income isn't the same as having disposable income, and being poor doesn't mean one doesn't want to have nicer things.

I don't know if the guy in the pic at the top of this thread considers himself to be a cyclist or not. I'd guess most folks who see him have the word "homeless" come to mind before the word "cyclist" or even "bike" but that's me making assumptions/projections and I don't really think it matters much anyway. I hope today that his basic needs are met enough that he can enjoy being on his bike.
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Happy to hear things have improved for you. I still contend cycling is one of the more accessible hobbies and as you mentioned, your initial disappointment was due to failure to learn about sizing rather than cost. FWIW, the cost of each kid is now over $300K!
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I was a cyclist when I was too poor to pay attention so I don't think economic status is a factor
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JHFC, not this again. What an obnoxious, elitist post. Do people even hear themselves?

Shut up and ride.
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
If you get hit by a car while riding your bike the headline will read "Cyclist Hit By Car On Some Street In Whatever Town". If you are on skates it will read: "Skater Hit By Car etc." So if you are currently RIDING a bicycle, like it or not, you ARE a cyclist.

Outside of that, I do not like being introduced to new people as "Meet Joey, he's a CYCLIST!" any more than my wife wants to be introduced as a motorist. Since I use a bike strictly for utilitarian purposes I have never felt like I was a cyclist per se. I'm a "commuter". I use my bikes for long vacations same as a motor-home (cross country trips up to 7 months) so I guess I'm a "vacationer" also. I enjoy hiking, skating, canoeing, kayaking, laying around in a hammock, etc. So what exactly AM I?....
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Majority of non-cycling public can't tell a difference between a touring cyclist and a tramp or vagrant on a bicycle.
Distance?
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I think a cyclist is someone actively riding a bicycle. Like “driver”
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
But being on a bicycle by definition makes one a cyclist. It's literally what the word means. The analogy I'd draw is operating a motor vehicle makes one a motorist.

"Cyclist" is a noun, if you want to narrow the category you're discussing, apply an adjective.

That man appears to be basically living out of his bicycle rig. He's probably more connected to that vehicle 24/7 than even a TdF rider.
I was thinking the thread was talking beyond the literal definition of a "cyclist" (someone riding a bicycle at any specific point in time) to more of a descriptive term or label for someone who may or may not be defined as a "cyclist" by their lifestyle, hobbies, interests and socio-economic status. For example I would expect Chris Froome to be described by himself and others as a cyclist, whether he's riding a bike or not at the time. The same goes for a retired guy who spends most of his time bike touring. To me they are both "cyclists". My neighbour on the other hand, who very occasionally rides a bicycle, is not what I would call a "cyclist".
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
I was thinking the thread was talking beyond the literal definition of a "cyclist" (someone riding a bicycle at any specific point in time) to more of a descriptive term or label for someone who may or may not be defined as a "cyclist" by their lifestyle, hobbies, interests and socio-economic status. For example I would expect Chris Froome to be described by himself and others as a cyclist, whether he's riding a bike or not at the time. The same goes for a retired guy who spends most of his time bike touring. To me they are both "cyclists". My neighbour on the other hand, who very occasionally rides a bicycle, is not what I would call a "cyclist".

To be honest, this whole topic sounds to me like a bunch of blather by people who want " cyclist" to be a major part of their identity, but then don't want to be associated with other people who bicycle for other reasons. The guy in the OP picture is probably more connected to the bike than you or I ever will be. I'm pretty sure no one on this thread wants to be identified with him, so we get a bunch of posts from people telling us who isn't a cyclist. I'm under no obligation to play along.

It's all in the adjectives: Chris Froome is a professional racing cyclist, retired guy is a touring cyclist, and your neighbor is an occasional cyclist. And a person on a bike is definitely a cyclist while they're on a bike.

And I have always hated the word "lifestyle". It's really more of a marketing buzzword than a useful concept.
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