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Old 09-22-23, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Who could have guessed that humans are pretty bad at detecting the concentration of 2.5 micron particles in air?
Back in the day, not too many people, I guess. But even centuries ago we already understood quite well that people are sufficiently well-equpped for dealing with this kind of situations. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here today. Or, perhaps, we would, but looking quite differently. Anthropic principle, anyone?

As for the knowledge of the instantly recognizable and well-researched model of psychological behavior knows as princess-on-a-pea syndrome... this goes way way way back.
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Originally Posted by AndreyT
without an internet connection
Without an internet connection, how would you be able to spread your disinformation?
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Centuries ago, when life expectancy was in the 30s..... Yes, let's take advice from our short-lived ancestors. That'll ******g work.
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Originally Posted by AndreyT
But even centuries ago we already understood quite well that people are sufficiently well-equpped for dealing with this kind of situations. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here today.
We are here today because our ancestors lived long enough to produce offspring. That is a pretty low bar.

Today, we can do a bit better.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
We are here today because our ancestors lived long enough to produce offspring. That is a pretty low bar. Today, we can do a bit better.
I'm sure there is a "quality vs. quantity" dilemma hidden somewhere in here, which should make one wonder about what's "better". But I don't think anyone wants to take this topic that far off its rails...
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
We are here today because our ancestors lived long enough to produce offspring. That is a pretty low bar.

Today, we can do a bit better.
One might even argue that evolution actually has been working against those of us past childrearing age, since clearing out the Olds could increase resources for the next generation, and evolution is really only about who produces the most offspring who produce the most offspring.

So, at my age, I don't expect evolution to have done me any favors.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
We are here today because our ancestors lived long enough to produce offspring. That is a pretty low bar.

Today, we can do a bit better.
Yeah, we should aim for something higher than what your basic rodent easily achieves.
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For anyone interested, here is an EPA page on atmospheric particulates.
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Jeez y'all touchy bout going outside.
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Originally Posted by AndreyT

If at noon it doesn't look like Mars outside, it is safe.
When you think we've reached the point that nothing said online will surprise or amaze you, they always prove you wrong.
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Originally Posted by jon c.
When you think we've reached the point that nothing said online will surprise or amaze you, they always prove you wrong.
Hear, hear! It is as old as the world, though, no need for online access. The surprise and amazement at the "Earth is round" claim, for one example, dates back to far before the advent of any form of electrical communication.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Apparently what we're sucking in is bits of Oregon.
I think Oregon causes cancer in California.
Then again, just about everything is labeled as cancer-causing in California.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
For anyone interested, here is an EPA page on atmospheric particulates.
...sure, quote the EPA. Next you'll probably link to some PubMed research. Don't you get it? All those guys are in on the conspiracy.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
...this is gonna be another one of those threads where I need a cigarette after it ends, isn't it ?
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...this is gonna be another one of those threads where I need a cigarette after it ends, isn't it ?
More likely the kind of thread where you ask for a cigarette and a blindfold at the end.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
More likely the kind of thread where you ask for a cigarette and a blindfold at the end.
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I once knew a guy who smoked cigarettes well into his seventies. (He's still kicking, BTW, in his eighties now. Don't know whether he still smokes, though). When I asked him why he was doing that, he told me that if not for cigarettes and, perhaps, some other unhealthy things he enjoys, he'd probably ended it all somewhere around his fiftieth birthday. I got a feeling that maybe he wasn't joking...

Now, project this to our situation: what has higher potential to do you more harm in the long run? Particulate matter? Or not riding when you ought to? Understandably, this question does not have a definitive answer... but that is only until you start thinking about Zwift. Once you find yourself standing in front of a Zwift contraption, you should just turn around and go riding outside, even at the risk of inhaling all particulate matter of Hell.
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Originally Posted by AndreyT
...without an internet connection.
Lack of connection to internet would cause more deaths than smog, pollution, bad air quality, cancer and heart disease.
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Lack of connection to internet would cause more deaths than smog, pollution, bad air quality, cancer and heart disease.
372% of all statistics are invented on the spot.
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For what its worth my road bike has been sitting outside for the past week, and its absolutely filthy, the bartape is dusty like ive never seen. Was thinking it had to be from the fires. I've been riding to and from work, unhappily, and am trying to go slow and breath through my nose. Say what you will about purpleair, but the dust on my bike isn't lying,
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Three days in a row stuck indoors is getting really old.

There's not even anywhere within driving distance with decent air, so a drive-to ride is out.

The windows are closed, the makeshift air filters are running full blast, it still smells like smoke.

How harmful could it be to ride when the air is this bad? Asking for a friend.
The Valley isn't...too bad, we've missed the heavy concentrations so far.

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Honestly, compared to the last three years this one has been so much better. The kid goes to school in the East Bay Hills and last year was seeing AQIs up in the 3-400 level. You can't even go outside!
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Originally Posted by AndreyT
Now, project this to our situation: what has higher potential to do you more harm in the long run? Particulate matter? Or not riding when you ought to?
One of these things is not like the other. Judiciously not riding in awful air a few days per year while riding the rest of the year is the obvious answer. Adding those heavy pollution days will be net negative.

Capisce?
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Originally Posted by AndreyT
I once knew a guy who smoked cigarettes well into his seventies. (He's still kicking, BTW, in his eighties now. Don't know whether he still smokes, though). When I asked him why he was doing that, he told me that if not for cigarettes and, perhaps, some other unhealthy things he enjoys, he'd probably ended it all somewhere around his fiftieth birthday. I got a feeling that maybe he wasn't joking...

Now, project this to our situation: what has higher potential to do you more harm in the long run? Particulate matter? Or not riding when you ought to? Understandably, this question does not have a definitive answer... but that is only until you start thinking about Zwift. Once you find yourself standing in front of a Zwift contraption, you should just turn around and go riding outside, even at the risk of inhaling all particulate matter of Hell.
Show us on the doll where Zwift hurt you.
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