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One Wheel 11-17-23 11:55 AM

Cycling as transportation is cheap. Cycling as a hobby is fairly expensive, and thus attracts generally wealthier-than-average individuals. This tends to map with higher education levels.

I'm a dairy farmer, homeschooled through high school, then 4 years of college but no degree. Not sure where that should put me in terms of edjikayshun.

Pratt 11-17-23 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by pdlamb (Post 23074074)
Thank you, thank you very much.

Some of us are eddicated real gud, and we have everybody from doctors to lawyers to nurses to teachers to mechanics, which leads to its own eclectic mix of lexicons.

"edjicated."

indyfabz 11-17-23 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by One Wheel (Post 23075315)
Cycling as transportation is cheap. Cycling as a hobby is fairly expensive, and thus attracts generally wealthier-than-average individuals. This tends to map with higher education levels.

I'm a dairy farmer, homeschooled through high school, then 4 years of college but no degree. Not sure where that should put me in terms of edjikayshun.

Seven years of college—down the drain. :D

Qualified him for a U.S. Senate seat.


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rsbob 11-17-23 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Leftclique (Post 23073690)
Hello,

I've been thinking about getting a bike and found Bike Forums a few weeks ago. I'm glad I did! It's very informative.

Oddly enough, I was as impressed by the language used here as much as the information.

Are ya'll English? Dang if I don't think I'm inna fancy skool room sumwheres.

Consider that the sky is the limit on bikes and clothing (kit to the hoi poi) it attracts people of all economic and social levels, so it is not surprising you will see good info (and bad - which usually gets quickly challenged) and plenty of multi syllabic words. It doesn’t matter where you are on the spectrum, what matters is that you enjoy riding. Welcomd

wolfchild 11-17-23 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by One Wheel (Post 23075315)
Cycling as transportation is cheap. Cycling as a hobby is fairly expensive

If a person uses the same bikes, clothing and gear for commuting as they use for recreational riding then the cost is the same for both. Not all people who ride for transportation use cheap bikes. cheap clothing and cheap gear.

One Wheel 11-17-23 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by wolfchild (Post 23075522)
If a person uses the same bikes, clothing and gear for commuting as they use for recreational riding then the cost is the same for both. Not all people who ride for transportation use cheap bikes. cheap clothing and cheap gear.

Of course you can use cheap gear for recreational riding, or very expensive gear for commuting. As a general rule, though, if you just need to get around town the entry barrier for biking is lower than for a car, but if you're going to take it seriously as a hobby the cost, both in equipment and time, will go up very quickly relative to birdwatching, stamp collecting, or any number of other hobbies. It's also worth remembering that it takes, all things considered, a solidly above average income to even afford a hobby in the first place. Recreational sport, especially equipment-dependent endurance sports like cycling, is just not something that poor people can afford.

pdlamb 11-17-23 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Pratt (Post 23075324)
"edjicated."

Hoo tawt yu to spel? :)

cyccommute 11-17-23 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 23074954)
Valid, and I’m aware. My desktop keyboard doesn’t do ñ as easily as my phone, and I was lazy. I will fix the offense.

(I’m currently on my phone.)

On a Mac: Option+n

PC: CTRL+SHIFT+~ (TILDE), the letter (tilde is in the upper left corner of the keyboard.)

veganbikes 11-17-23 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by spelger (Post 23074881)
It hurts to read that.

you just aints gots the skoolin to be reedin what's I dun made with the wordy button tv.

etherhuffer 11-17-23 11:43 PM

Yes, some of us here might even despair at the death of the adverb in modern language. Not to mention the ice-pick-in-the-ear of 'eksetera,' or even 'impactful.' Good lord......

VegasJen 11-18-23 12:10 AM

I'm originally from the South (USA) so I just want to point out it's actually y'all (contraction of you all), not ya'll.

And for the record, y'all is NEVER, EVER singular.

David_Harris 11-19-23 03:05 AM


Originally Posted by VegasJen (Post 23075946)
I'm originally from the South (USA) so I just want to point out it's actually y'all (contraction of you all), not ya'll.

And for the record, y'all is NEVER, EVER singular.

Sometimes, it’s “all y’all”, though.

One Wheel 11-19-23 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by VegasJen (Post 23075946)
I'm originally from the South (USA) so I just want to point out it's actually y'all (contraction of you all), not ya'll.

And for the record, y'all is NEVER, EVER singular.

Thee is singular object
Thou is singular subject
Ye is plural subject
You is plural object
Y'all is redundant. It's trying to bring back functionality to the English language that has been lost.

big chainring 11-19-23 07:51 AM

The linguistics used in cycling are eurocentric. The introduction to cycling for most of us came by way of a "10 speed" european race bike. Made in England, France or Italy, these were the major bicycle manufacturing countries before the shift to asia. Terminology therefore originated from these countries. And since England and the U.S. share a common language the words we use discussing cycling are often derived from UK english. Seat/saddle, tires/tyres, sew-ups/ tubulars, racing wheels/sprints, jersey/jumper.

Terms from france ..Criterium, derailleur, echelon, peloton, souplesse, groupon garanti.

I used Super Champion Arc en ciel rims in my racing days. It was years later that I found out it meant... arch in sky...rainbow. As in world champion colors. And a sticker on the rim was a rainbow and I never realised the tanslation...duh

One of the odd ones that I find interesting is the french rapiere/rapier chainstay taper. Somewhere in translation it became rapid taper chainstays.

And as far as Itslian all you need to know is Campagnolo.

VegasJen 11-19-23 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by David_Harris (Post 23076788)
Sometimes, it’s “all y’all”, though.

I'm just as guilty of that as anyone else.

Originally Posted by One Wheel (Post 23076806)
Thee is singular object
Thou is singular subject
Ye is plural subject
You is plural object
Y'all is redundant. It's trying to bring back functionality to the English language that has been lost.

You could make the same argument about "youz guys" or many other colloquial terms. It's just a regional speech pattern. Like it or not, grammatically correct or not, it's been part of the vocabulary for a couple centuries and likely will continue for a couple more centuries.

Chuck M 11-19-23 07:57 PM

I think it is important hear too right good. Cause if your in a argument bout chain lube ewe will bee called out for pour spelling an grammar.

MinnMan 11-19-23 08:43 PM

OP started two threads in different subforums and then went silent.

Kinda makes ya wonder, don't it?

pdlamb 11-20-23 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by MinnMan (Post 23077489)
OP started two threads in different subforums and then went silent.

Kinda makes ya wonder, don't it?

Well, yeah, but it's kept a bunch of people from arguing like it was February! (or is that Febyouairy?)

Eric F 11-20-23 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 23075724)
On a Mac: Option+n

PC: CTRL+SHIFT+~ (TILDE), the letter (tilde is in the upper left corner of the keyboard.)

Ctrl+Shift+~ results in nothing on my PC. I appreciate the effort. No worries.

wheelreason 11-20-23 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 23077878)
Ctrl+Shift+~ results in nothing on my PC. I appreciate the effort. No worries.

¿Qué?

Works in a Word document, [Alt} plus the corresponding ASCII works in Windows (when it's in a good mood)...

Eric F 11-20-23 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by wheelreason (Post 23077908)
¿Qué?

Works in a Word document, [Alt} plus the corresponding ASCII works in Windows (when it's in a good mood)...

I agree that it works in a Word doc, however, when entering a reply on this forum, I get nothing. It's really not a big deal. I was able to edit my previous post by using my phone.

blacknbluebikes 11-20-23 11:39 AM

I'm alwys amzd th wy drppd vwls dsn't mk wrds unreadable.

wheelreason 11-20-23 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes (Post 23077933)
I'm alwys amzd th wy drppd vwls dsn't mk wrds unreadable.

Our brains are hard wired to fill in gaps and discern patterns, even ones that don't exist. Most of the things we see in dim light are actually much less detailed than we think.

Reflector Guy 11-20-23 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by pdlamb (Post 23077822)
Well, yeah, but it's kept a bunch of people from arguing like it was February! (or is that Febyouairy?)

But it won't stop us from partying like it's 1999! :ride:

Reflector Guy 11-20-23 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by One Wheel (Post 23075315)
Cycling as transportation is cheap. Cycling as a hobby is fairly expensive, and thus attracts generally wealthier-than-average individuals. This tends to map with higher education levels.

Don't forget the guy who lived in a gardening shed, in the woods by the railroad track. He brought down the average wealth statistics a little.


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