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How do you steer?

Old 12-04-23, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
But the lure is so shiny and pretty!


Trolling is such a drag....
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
It is subtle and that’s why most people don’t realise they are doing it. But if you watch a total beginner learning to ride a bike you can see that they have to consciously learn to counter steer before they can “balance” and actually ride at all. Usually they wobble around over and under correcting until they eventually figure it out in their mind.

I agree on a motorbike the forces are much higher so it may initially require some conscious effort to learn how counter steer affects your ability to lean a heavy bike into a turn. It makes sense to teach that on a motorbike training course, but it is not really necessary for bike riders on 8 kg road bikes.
I think your post illustrates why this discussion always becomes somewhat heated. What you wrote is absolutely correct, however, not everyone uses the same definition of counter steering. Your (implicit) definition is that any movement in the opposite direction that is required to balance a bike falls under the category counter steering. But, others consider counter steering to occur only when the front wheel is actually turned in the opposite direction past 0°, which usually only occurs when one initiates a turn. People that use the former definition correctly state that "counter steering is required in a turn", while those that use the latter definition correctly state "counter steering is not required in a turn." Of course, any discussion about which definition is correct is destined to be just as heated, so the debate will live on for all eternity.
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Saw this guy while I was touring out west. He knew how to steer steers.



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depends if I'm riding left handed or right handed that day
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Those steers look awfully 'entire' to this city slicker ...
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Originally Posted by Ghazmh
I was riding along the other day and noticed that I seemed to always use my right hand to nudge the handlebar to the left..
...check your wheel dish front and rear, and your frame alignment.
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Old 12-04-23, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Saw this guy while I was touring out west. He knew how to steer steers.



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Those steers can be herded-influenced, but not steered.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
Those steers can be herded-influenced, but not steered.
It made me a bit sad to think that they were destined to end up on the dinner table. There is a lot of ranching in the area. I must have missed a relatively recent cattle drive because the highway through town (Wise River, MT) had a lot of cow pie remnants on it.

Interestingly, the popular bar/restaurant in town (The Wise River Club) recently got a new co-owner.

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Originally Posted by bboy314
The drag brake might possibly be even a worse idea than the steering wheel.

As for how I turn, I suspect it might be via telekinesis. I just will it and it happens.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
It made me a bit sad to think that they were destined to end up on the dinner table. There is a lot of ranching in the area. I must have missed a relatively recent cattle drive because the highway through town (Wise River, MT) had a lot of cow pie remnants on it.

Interestingly, the popular bar/restaurant in town (The Wise River Club) recently got a new co-owner.

It makes you sad? It makes me hungry!😎

Very cool new owner!

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I rode today and made a point to see how I steer.
At the speeds I ride I found I simply lean into a turn.
I intentionally tried to counter steer to move to one side or the other. It didn’t work. The bike simply moved in the direction I turned the handlebars. I expected this. On a motorcycle at slow speed it is the same- you steer into a turn like going around a corner.
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Next thread: How do you use your brakes ?.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Next thread: How do you use your brakes ?.
😄. I’m sitting this one out.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
Next thread: How do you use your brakes ?.
I think we had that. The argument that ensues is if you need the rear brake at all if it skids or if you will go over the bars if you lock the front brake.
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Originally Posted by Chuck M
I think we had that. The argument that ensues is if you need the rear brake at all if it skids or if you will go over the bars if you lock the front brake.
Either way, death is certain.
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Originally Posted by ScottCommutes
I thought the discussion was going to center around pushing on the handlebars vs. pushing with your a$$.
Too bad, I thought there would an announcement for some battery operated handlebar plugs, bluetooth enabled, that would be controlled by an App from your exceedingly smart phone. How disappointing!

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Originally Posted by Alan K
Too bad, I thought there would an announcement for some battery operated handlebar plugs, bluetooth enabled, that would be controlled by an App from your exceedingly smart phone. How disappointing!
There's Bluetooth controlled plugs alright; they're just not for your handlebars.
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By counter steer, gyroscopic precession, camber thrust, and centrifugal force
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<--- waiting for bluetooth/wireless HDMI steering tech to happen.
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Originally Posted by delbiker1
One has to steer a bike? Telepathic Magic, perhaps.
Yes, I only think about turning, my body automagically leans and the bike obeys! 😉
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
No steering required — I bend the roads to match the direction I’m going.
That would be psychedelic magic, perhaps.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
It makes you sad? It makes me hungry!😎

Very cool now owner!
I had a great steak several days later, but they were just so cool lumbering up the road. No idea of their ultimate fate. 😞

I saw ZZ Top at the Spectrum in Philly in (dates one’s self) the mid-80s.
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BITD some dude on a penny farthing realized he could lift the rear wheel off the ground and continue riding, giving birth to the unicycle. Which is steered with your butt.

My mountain uni is hard to ride on pavement 'cause the fat tire is sticky and doesn't want to turn, but offroad it's responsive.
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Originally Posted by bboy314
Ok, on to the next question: how do you breathe?
From the NIH, it sounds very simple:“Your breathing muscles include:
  • The diaphragm: This dome-shaped muscle below your lungs separates the chest cavity from the abdominal cavity. The diaphragm is the main muscle used for breathing.
  • The muscles between your ribs: Called intercostal muscles, these muscles play a role in breathing during physical activity.
  • Abdominal muscles: You use these muscles to help you breathe out when you are breathing fast, such as during physical activity.
  • The muscles of the face, mouth, and pharynx: These control the lips, tongue, soft palate, and other structures to help with breathing. The pharynx is the part of the throat right behind the mouth. Problems with any of these muscles can narrow the airway, make it more difficult to breathe, and contribute to sleep apnea.
  • Muscles in the neck and collarbone area: You use these muscles tohelp you breathe in.
Breathing is controlled by the autonomic nervous system, also called the involuntary nervous system.
There’s of course much more to it…
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