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Old 02-16-24, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by L134
Sorry, I married into a Japanese American family and something just did not sound right. I have no clue whether chickpeas or soy beans in any state are healthier than one another. It does seem that the making of hummus does not remove the fiber? My wife likes both but that is totally irrelevant.
Tofu removes all the fiber and carbohydrates from chickpeas soybeans.

Hummus adds fat and sodium to chickpeas, but keeps most of the fiber.

A comparison of typical nutritional labels:

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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Tofu removes all the fiber and carbohydrates from chickpeas.

Hummus adds fat and sodium to chickpeas, but keeps most of the fiber.

A comparison of typical nutritional labels:
Well, I don't know what kind of tofu you eat but the tofu we eat is made of soy beans not chickpeas.
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I like oats, and especially muesli with a few drops of real maple syrup. And thick, strong, mild-roast coffee. Sometimes the caffeine content of the mild-roast would have me dripping sweat and quivering like pre-fight Mike Tyson before I even got on the bike. It was a most delicious, anticipatory anxiety.

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Originally Posted by L134
Well, I don't know what kind of tofu you eat but the tofu we eat is made of soy beans not chickpeas.
My typo, will fix.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Tofu removes all the fiber and carbohydrates from chickpeas soybeans.

Hummus adds fat and sodium to chickpeas, but keeps most of the fiber.

A comparison of typical nutritional labels:

This table doesnít really tell you that chickpeas are any more or less healthy than tofu. What really matters is how you combine them with other foods in a balanced healthy diet. Tofu is mostly a source of protein and is usually combined with other sources of carbs and fibre. It is only unhealthy if you eat nothing else!
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Tofu is mostly a source of protein and is usually combined with other sources of carbs and fibre. It is only unhealthy if you eat nothing else!
Tofu, and everything other refined food, is LESS nutritious than the whole food it was refined from.

ďOur processed food is a good source of nutrition, but be sure to also find and eat other foods that contain the nutrition we took away while refining our productĒ is a really dumb marketing slogan.

Who remembers ďitís part of this nutritious breakfastĒ?
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Tofu, and everything other refined food, is LESS nutritious than the whole food it was refined from.

ďOur processed food is a good source of nutrition, but be sure to also find and eat other foods that contain the nutrition we took away while refining our productĒ is a really dumb marketing slogan.

Who remembers ďitís part of this nutritious breakfastĒ?
Iím so old I remember when there were Sugar Frosted Flakes, Sugar Corn Pops, Super Sugar Crisp and Sugar Smacks.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Iím so old I remember when there were Sugar Frosted Flakes, Sugar Corn Pops, Super Sugar Crisp and Sugar Smacks.
I used to sprinkle sugar over my Sugar Frosted Flakes.

And Frosted Flakes wasn't "part of my nutritious breakfast". It was breakfast.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Last year there were maybe 2 or 3 occasions on the bike where a Coke and Snickers would have easily trumped a banana or apple for instant energy release. Itís when you eat junk like that all the time that it becomes a problem.
Did a century ride a few years back sponsored by the local Lions. Most long sponsored rides provide a good mix of carbs, fruit and at least Gatoraid. This ride only provided oranges and apple slices. People were not too happy about only having fruit, but what saved it for most people was a 3000í descent to the finish. We were hitting the local stores for food with energy.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I used to sprinkle sugar over my Sugar Frosted Flakes.

And Frosted Flakes wasn't "part of my nutritious breakfast". It was breakfast.
Fun fact: Thurl Ravenscroft, who was a long-time voice of Tony the Tiger, is the uncredited vocalist who sings "You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch" in Dr. Seuss' "How the Grinch Stole Christmas".
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Tofu, and everything other refined food, is LESS nutritious than the whole food it was refined from.

ďOur processed food is a good source of nutrition, but be sure to also find and eat other foods that contain the nutrition we took away while refining our productĒ is a really dumb marketing slogan.

Who remembers ďitís part of this nutritious breakfastĒ?
the fermentation of tofu makes it much better for you than soybeans. Soybeans are estrogenic and without fermentation can cause hormonal issues, Chinese medicine has literature about this going back thousands of years. They are contraindicated during pregnancy.

the ďsoyboyĒ meme has a grain of truth to it, avoid unfermented soy products in large quantities. Most people would be surprised if they knew how much processed food contains soy, but tbh our whole food system has been under attack for decades and the soy additives are just a small piece of the problem.

The over-reliance of the 4 macro model lends to the idea that ďa carb is a carbĒ while itís a whole lot more complicated than that. This isnít directed at you btw, itís the intuitive conclusion one draws when reading nutrition labels. Hit your target macros, get your various micros, get some fiber and veggies, good to go right? This is the common refrain, but itís some western culture mindvirus thing thatís obviously not true.

eat whole natural foods and for the most part youíll be fine, which we all know but itís so hard.

as a high milage rider, I eat like garbage and it shows in my body, Iím living proof that calories in calories out is a small part of the picture.

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Originally Posted by rsbob
Did a century ride a few years back sponsored by the local Lions. Most long sponsored rides provide a good mix of carbs, fruit and at least Gatoraid. This ride only provided oranges and apple slices. People were not too happy about only having fruit, but what saved it for most people was a 3000í descent to the finish. We were hitting the local stores for food with energy.
Those long organized events/races always worry me about nutrition. I end up bringing along a lot of my own gels, just because I don't want to derail my refueling strategy. I think about 2 of my big events last year...one was a century with 14k' of climbing, where I seriously messed up my fueling/hydration on, and thought I was going to die by the finish. Definitely the most snapped-off I've ever been...I was so far in the hole regarding carbs and electrolytes, I don't know that I could've finished the ride if it was just a mile longer. The event organization always does a wonderful job with food there, my troubles were entirely my own doing. I have a habit of forgetting to eat on the back-half of long rides...I'm very on top of my nutrition up to about 4 hours and then just lose focus afterwards.

On a more successful note last year was a long, climb-heavy gravel race. Lots of easy-to-process carbs and I ate/drank as much as I could tolerate. I had a decent finish and pretty much PR'ed my 1.5 through 6 hour power numbers on it. One of my buddies was giving me crap about all the Pepsi I drank at the final aid station, but glycogen depletion in a 5k+ calorie event, is a big deal. Considering my strongest segment of the race was a 900' climb at mile 60, I'd say my strategy worked pretty well.
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Originally Posted by Sierra_rider
Those long organized events/races always worry me about nutrition. I end up bringing along a lot of my own gels, just because I don't want to derail my refueling strategy. I think about 2 of my big events last year...one was a century with 14k' of climbing, where I seriously messed up my fueling/hydration on, and thought I was going to die by the finish. Definitely the most snapped-off I've ever been...I was so far in the hole regarding carbs and electrolytes, I don't know that I could've finished the ride if it was just a mile longer. The event organization always does a wonderful job with food there, my troubles were entirely my own doing. I have a habit of forgetting to eat on the back-half of long rides...I'm very on top of my nutrition up to about 4 hours and then just lose focus afterwards.

On a more successful note last year was a long, climb-heavy gravel race. Lots of easy-to-process carbs and I ate/drank as much as I could tolerate. I had a decent finish and pretty much PR'ed my 1.5 through 6 hour power numbers on it. One of my buddies was giving me crap about all the Pepsi I drank at the final aid station, but glycogen depletion in a 5k+ calorie event, is a big deal. Considering my strongest segment of the race was a 900' climb at mile 60, I'd say my strategy worked pretty well.
Appears we are learning our lessons. As a result of my apple and orange adventure, I donít rely on event organizers to provide adequate calories. I pack my pockets with nutrition and carb rich foods as well as carb/electrolytes in bidons. If they provide good food, then fine, but if not, Iím good - but it is a stretch on long rides. My Garmin is set to remind me to eat and drink at regular intervals.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
My Garmin is set to remind me to eat and drink at regular intervals.
Just out of curiosity, what does that look like? I feel like I've gotten reasonably good results drinking whenever I feel like it, and eating something every 30 minutes, but I'm curious what works for other people. I set a 30 minute alarm on my watch/ bike computer for both rides and long runs, my biggest fueling problem is not overfilling my gut on runs over 2 hours or rides over 4 hours.
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Originally Posted by One Wheel
Just out of curiosity, what does that look like? I feel like I've gotten reasonably good results drinking whenever I feel like it, and eating something every 30 minutes, but I'm curious what works for other people. I set a 30 minute alarm on my watch/ bike computer for both rides and long runs, my biggest fueling problem is not overfilling my gut on runs over 2 hours or rides over 4 hours.
The Garmin bike computer chimes to get my attention and the display says, “Eat reminder”. I have it set for every 40 mins. The drink reminder is set for every 30 minutes unless it is in the high 80s/90s when I change it to every 20 mins. It also chimes and the screen displays ‘Drink Reminder”. It also warns me about 90* corners, weather alerts, provides text messages, GPS navigation and bike alarm to name just a few. It probably has about 40 customizable functions - but I only use a handful. Accidentally hit the spouse trouble alarm the other day and it sent her latitude and longitude coordinates - to which she replied, What the hell am i supposed to do with that? I said, relay it to the first responders.

my favorite feature is how it teams up with Varia radar to warn me of how many cars are closing on me from behind, their relative speeds (on a nice screen graphic) and when they have all passed, I get a green light, ‘all clear’ with a tone.

And what do I do for calories on a big ride - cinnamon pop tarts - at least 6. (Just kidding)
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Originally Posted by rsbob
And what do I do for calories on a big ride - cinnamon pop tarts - at least 6. (Just kidding)
More of a cherry or blueberry Tart man, myself, but I like the cut o your jib, sailor.
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Originally Posted by One Wheel
Just out of curiosity, what does that look like? I feel like I've gotten reasonably good results drinking whenever I feel like it, and eating something every 30 minutes, but I'm curious what works for other people. I set a 30 minute alarm on my watch/ bike computer for both rides and long runs, my biggest fueling problem is not overfilling my gut on runs over 2 hours or rides over 4 hours.
IMO, it's a training objective just to be able to process the requisite number of carbs. I had to make a concerted effort last year, just to train my body to handle an adequate amount of carbs/hour.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Appears we are learning our lessons. As a result of my apple and orange adventure, I don’t rely on event organizers to provide adequate calories. I pack my pockets with nutrition and carb rich foods as well as carb/electrolytes in bidons. If they provide good food, then fine, but if not, I’m good - but it is a stretch on long rides. My Garmin is set to remind me to eat and drink at regular intervals.
Part of it is being able to consume stuff that you know you can process. I've refilled my bottles with random carb/electrolyte mixes that the event provided, with the results being me puking my guts out on the side of the road. Most gels are even off limits to me, GU makes me sick, I've since switched to SIS gels. For solid food, I like the Honey Stinger waffles. On events that I'm worried about electrolyte replacement, I carry tablets that I'll mix into whatever plain water they provide. In big events, I typically avoid trying food/products that I haven't already vetted in training.
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Originally Posted by ScottCommutes
I'm 49. I figure I'm eating an extra 10,000 calories a week on top of normal human eating to fuel my bike commuting. I already lost weight last year so now I am balancing my lifestyle. I feel like I get most of my nutrition covered by normal eating, so I think I'm just looking for cheap calories to burn that taste good and are not bad for me. I look at it like a substitute for buying gas for the car.

I pound free food. I finish my kids' meals. I eat pounds of raisins/peanuts/chocolate chips mixed together. I also eat a lot of frozen pizzas. I deep fry french fries for lunch and fry potatoes/onions for breakfasts. Also a lot of cheese. I've also taken up baking (usually from mix) cake, brownies, bread, and cornbread. I do eat fruits and veggies.

Any thoughts or advice?
Back to basics. The OP clearly doesn't know how to eat to the care of themself. Frozen Pizzas? Deep fried fries? Tons of cheese? Baking? So much unneeded fat
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
Back to basics. The OP clearly doesn't know how to eat to the care of themself. Frozen Pizzas? Deep fried fries? Tons of cheese? Baking? So much unneeded fat
If heís not trolling, itís a cry for help.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
If heís not trolling, itís a cry for help.
I doubt heís trolling. A lot of people eat much like this. Itís actually more the norm than the exception.
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Originally Posted by Sierra_rider
Part of it is being able to consume stuff that you know you can process. I've refilled my bottles with random carb/electrolyte mixes that the event provided, with the results being me puking my guts out on the side of the road. Most gels are even off limits to me, GU makes me sick, I've since switched to SIS gels. For solid food, I like the Honey Stinger waffles. On events that I'm worried about electrolyte replacement, I carry tablets that I'll mix into whatever plain water they provide. In big events, I typically avoid trying food/products that I haven't already vetted in training.
Iím a believer in SIS and SKRATCH Labs. I use them almost exclusively. Also carry a baggie or two of electrolyte/carb mix just in case.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
I doubt heís trolling. A lot of people eat much like this. Itís actually more the norm than the exception.
I know they do, but Iím familiar with several of his other posts.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I know they do, but Iím familiar with several of his other posts.
Other threads where people (long tern members) discuss what they eat and enjoy is not that dissimilar to the OP. If you are shocked here, go over to 50+ and have a looksee
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Originally Posted by alcjphil
Back to basics. The OP clearly doesn't know how to eat to the care of themself. Frozen Pizzas? Deep fried fries? Tons of cheese? Baking? So much unneeded fat
A lot of carbs there. Quality of fat may be an issue too, but if it's butter, tallow, and olive oil high quantity of fat is only something to be avoided directly before and during intense activity, and only then because of its laxative properties.
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