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Old 03-26-24, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by georges1
Not modern yes , but entirely made in Italy with the highest degree of craftsmanship and campy record tranmission explain the heavy pricetag. C40 and C35 are much more desirable and collectible than some other carbon made frames. The frames were used successfully bei the Mapei team with Johan Museeuw back then.
Interestingly, the Colnago C40s of both Mapei and Rabobank were outfitted with Shimano Dura Ace.
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Interestingly, the Colnago C40s of both Mapei and Rabobank were outfitted with Shimano Dura Ace.
Yes that is true and they were fitted dura ace 7700 as far as I can recall. Even at the time of Tony Rominger who used the Colnago Bititan and Ovaltitan , Mapei used the Dura Ace 7410 transmission
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Originally Posted by georges1
Anything that is nuovo record and new old stock or showroom condition regarding vintage colnago always has a significant pricetag. The price of the nuovo record spare parts alone is close to 4000$ but this type of bike is not for the people that love di 2, disc brakes and carbon frames. It is for the collector before all. A nice high end steel frame made in the US by a reknown framebuilder with high end tubing and ultegra will be ahead 6000$ unless you want something mass produced from the big brands you will find something within that budget.
The co-organizer of our monthly C&V rides has been known to buy entire bikes for a single Nuovo Record part, if I'm not mistaken.
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Way back when, Sears was selling three speeds made in Austria based on the English model that were the equivalent in quality of Raleigh's Sports, except the rear hubs were a little better, because they were made on newer machinery to the SA design. A benefit of rebuilding Austria after WW2.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Now, the other thing is - how comparable is a 1971 Chevy Vega to a 2024 Nissan Versa? I think you get a lot more car with the latter.
J'think? Our family owned a Vega. It's hard to think of any modern car that would be comparable. Engine lasted 30,000 miles. Rust was found on some of the cars...in the showroom. Overweight, the gas mileage wasn't competitive - just in time for the oil embargo. It had about 2/3rds the interior space of the contemporary Honda Civic or Fiat 128, cars that were 3/4ths its exterior size.

Selling American families a Corvair followed by a Vega created lots of Toyota-for-life buyers.

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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
Holy hell!! This is at a LBS near me. I might have to stop by just to see if they have it on display. In my area, this is the shop you go to for high-end Euro bikes...but that's nutty.

EDIT: Velo Pasadena might be reaching a bit too far with their pricing. I found this bike for a bargain price... https://www.racycles.com/colnago/col...200-bike-27938
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
You'd want to keep it like this if you ever rode it, to prevent it getting scratched!



EDIT: I see it's marked "FRAGILE" -

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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
Nope - weight trumps everything. When riding in a pack, the weight penalty of a heavy bike, and especially heavy wheels will shed you off the back. Then you can be aero as a bullet, but you are not going to be able to reconnect.

When you are sheltered in the pack, your super aero bike might save you a handful of watts, but then you're coasting along at 25 mph expending what? 100 watts total? Joking with your pals about the movie you saw last night and eating a energy bar...
Friend who used to ride with our club was about 250 pounds. He had a steel bike with clip on aero bars. This guy was an absolute ox on flat ground. He would pull the group for miles and miles. I don't think even several pounds could have made any difference to him. Probably 275-280 pounds all up and there wasn't a skinny climber on a 15 pound bike who could drop him on the flats.

I can't understand why you think a few grams matters so much on flat ground. I have seen other heavy men just slay on the flats.
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So you're just cruising along, sucking wheel joking and snacking @100 watts, but if your wheels were a few grams heavier you would be spat out the back, never to see the group again. Does that mean 100 watts is all you can muster? How much weight are we talking about? If your bike was 2 pounds heavier? 5 pounds? What is the amount it would take for you to be unable to hang with your group?
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Originally Posted by big john
Friend who used to ride with our club was about 250 pounds. He had a steel bike with clip on aero bars. This guy was an absolute ox on flat ground. He would pull the group for miles and miles. I don't think even several pounds could have made any difference to him. Probably 275-280 pounds all up and there wasn't a skinny climber on a 15 pound bike who could drop him on the flats.

I can't understand why you think a few grams matters so much on flat ground. I have seen other heavy men just slay on the flats.
This is because you ride in the real world, with real people. Mr. Mayer operates in a world of fantasy and made-up physics.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
So, having looked at that listing, Ebay is now emailing me to tell me the seller is entertaining offers. He would find the offer I might make really entertaining, in a "You must be joking!" kind of way.
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So, having looked at that listing, Ebay is now emailing me to tell me the seller is entertaining offers. He would find the offer I might make really entertaining, in a "You must be joking!" kind of way.
Offer him a couple grand. All he can say is "no" right?
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Offer him a couple grand. All he can say is "no" right?
But what if he says "Yes"? Then I'm on the hook for it!
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Originally Posted by genejockey
But what if he says "Yes"? Then I'm on the hook for it!
I know the seller. He won't say yes. I'm willing to bet your money on it.
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I know the seller. He won't say yes. I'm willing to bet your money on it.
Gosh, how reassuring.
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But what if he says "Yes"? Then I'm on the hook for it!
You could probably flip it and make a few bucks.
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Originally Posted by georges1
Yes that is true and they were fitted dura ace 7700 as far as I can recall. Even at the time of Tony Rominger who used the Colnago Bititan and Ovaltitan , Mapei used the Dura Ace 7410 transmission
saw a Colnago Master X Light (?) summer of 2022 - on a MUP - stunning bike
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I really enjoy the background of this picture. Behind this absurd super bike is an old 80s steel frame with no tires on the wheels, a stepthru frame with threaded stem sweepback handlebar, and an entry level flat bar hybrid with vbrakes.
Quite the juxtaposition.
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Originally Posted by t2p
saw a Colnago Master X Light (?) summer of 2022 - on a MUP - stunning bike
Rode one way back then in 2002 ,I felt that with the precisa fork it was heavier than my old raleigh in 753 , yet the paint was truely incredible and the dura ace 7700 was top notch but for me it wasn't the lightest steel frame. Still a legendary bike.
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I really enjoy the background of this picture. Behind this absurd super bike is an old 80s steel frame with no tires on the wheels, a stepthru frame with threaded stem sweepback handlebar, and an entry level flat bar hybrid with vbrakes.
Quite the juxtaposition.
This is Velo Pasadena's main shop...


This is their additional "annex" showroom, including a vintage room...


The variety in the background of the foam-wrapped Colnago pic doesn't surprise me at all.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
This is Velo Pasadena's main shop...


This is their additional "annex" showroom, including a vintage room...


The variety in the background of the foam-wrapped Colnago pic doesn't surprise me at all.
I love a good bike shop!
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I love a good bike shop!
I do too but that shop wants 80,000 dollarydoos for a Colnago that is wrapped which has nothing that special on it 12k for a Dura Ace Di2 is about right heck 15k for some of the fancier bits and a little bit of gold and a pager. The top end C68 on Colnago's Brit site is about 13,000 Wingo King-o fun bucks which is a little under 16,000 dollarydoos and beyond a little more gold and maybe some minor negligible parts differences I don't see basically 64k more for that other thing.

A shop that crazy might look cool but they are on something.
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So you're just cruising along, sucking wheel joking and snacking @100 watts, but if your wheels were a few grams heavier you would be spat out the back, never to see the group again. Does that mean 100 watts is all you can muster? How much weight are we talking about? If your bike was 2 pounds heavier? 5 pounds? What is the amount it would take for you to be unable to hang with your group?
Sigh.. has anyone here been on fast group rides? Or raced? On the flats weight doesn't matter obviously. Aero doesn't matter either because you're sheltered in the pack 90+% of the time coasting along at 100 watts. I suppose if you were some disposable domestique on some pro team, required to lead the team until you were spent and shelled off of the back like a soiled Kleenex, then aero would matter. Or it might help you if your thing is pointless breakaways 50 miles from the finish, but you're going to get caught eventually anyway.

The thing that shells you off the back are the hard climbs and repeated fast accelerations out of corners. There aero doesn't matter either, whereas weight, particularly wheel rotating weight is everything. How much weight matters - you tell me. When you desperately clinging onto a wheel giving it everything you have, then grams can make all the difference. Everyone here should know the panic of seeing the wheel ahead of you slowly drift away, with the knowledge that if the gap grows to 10 feet, you're done for the day.

If the arbitrary UCI weight limit were to be lifted, pro disc brake road bikes would disappear overnight.
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