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Old 05-15-24, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Kay why?
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Kay why?
Because any lubrication is better than no lubrication?
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WD40 dry lube

WD40 dry lube (ptfe).
This is my go-to lube.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I don’t have any gear lube. Would chainsaw bar lube be an acceptable substitute?
Do a search "bar and chain lube" and lots come up over the years like this one "https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/929173-homebrew-diy-chain-lube-users-storage-application.html".
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Originally Posted by easyupbug
Do a search "bar and chain lube" and lots come up over the years like this one "https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/929173-homebrew-diy-chain-lube-users-storage-application.html".
I wasn’t being serious.
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Old 05-17-24, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I grew up on motorcycles-mostly dirt bikes. Dad was a mechanic at a Honda shop and we used the chain lube the shop sold.
one of the single best ‘inventions’ for motorcycles was/is the O-ring chain - basically install it and forget about it

expensive - but reduced maintenance to just about nothing and last almost forever … just replace the counter shaft sprocket now and then
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I wasn’t being serious.
Other than being messy on the bike and needing a little OMS to thin it is a great chain lube and very economical, many of us had our own homebrew formulas. I don't wax but with all do respect to Zero Friction over the years I also used Chain-L, Rock and Roll, etc. and found that there is not much difference other than cost to apply and frequency of needed application. As I retired with a 5 gal bucket mostly full of industrial open chain lube which is used on very expensive drag chains moving millions of tons of crushed/powdered ore I have been using it. It's viscosity is very low so rather than drop by drop slow application I run the bottle spout down the chain rollers quickly. It is working out well and is amazingly clean after wiping the chain down with a rag over several revolutions and literally takes a couple mins at the very most. I have too many bikes to keep accurate logs but am happy with chain life as best I can tell.
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Originally Posted by t2p
one of the single best ‘inventions’ for motorcycles was/is the O-ring chain - basically install it and forget about it

expensive - but reduced maintenance to just about nothing and last almost forever … just replace the counter shaft sprocket now and then
We were riding and working on them from the mid to late ‘60s through the ‘80s. The chains then were pretty basic.
One problem that kept coming up was riders not lubing their chain and it breaking under load. We all learned early how to replace the upper and lower sections of the crankcase. On Goldwing it seemed the chain would hit exactly where the 2 case sections met so both would need replacing.
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Originally Posted by Iride01
Don't let the chain lube choices dazzle you with wondering which is best. Just use the lube that makes sense to you. If you find you don't like something about it, then change to some other type.

Some don't need to be used as frequently. Some do a tad better in the wet. Some will help keep your chain cleaner than others. I don't know that any give significantly greater chain life.
There's only one rule of chain lube:

Lube is good; no lube is bad
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
I have been using White Lightning chain lube, either Clean Ride or Easy Ride. Honestly I didn’t notice they have several types.
One they have is Epic Ride. This one isn’t a wax lube. It’s a synthetic.
I was reading their descriptions and White Lightning makes all of their products sound great.
Is the Epic better or worse than the others or just different?
I don’t ride in dirt, mud or gravel-just on the street or a paved trail. I try hard to avoid riding in rain. Given all this does it even matter what I use?
Stay away from Epic Ride.. supposedly one of the worst options

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Originally Posted by Camilo
There's only one rule of chain lube:

Lube is good; no lube is bad


The first rule of chain lube is: you do not talk about chain lube.
ftfy
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This discussion led me to reading this very long critique / comparison / test analysis, which I imagine a lot of you have already seen :

from Zero Friction Cycling
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
We were riding and working on them from the mid to late ‘60s through the ‘80s. The chains then were pretty basic.
One problem that kept coming up was riders not lubing their chain and it breaking under load. We all learned early how to replace the upper and lower sections of the crankcase. On Goldwing it seemed the chain would hit exactly where the 2 case sections met so both would need replacing.
What are you even talking about? The Goldwing is a shaft driven bike. No chain, unless you are referring to the primary drive chain? Camshaft chain? Neither of which are something you are lubing like you would an external drive chain. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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Originally Posted by phughes
What are you even talking about? The Goldwing is a shaft driven bike. No chain, unless you are referring to the primary drive chain? Camshaft chain? Neither of which are something you are lubing like you would an external drive chain. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Brain fart. Not Goldwing. CB 750s.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
Brain fart. Not Goldwing. CB 750s.
Gotcha. I sort of wondered, based on what you said, if that was what you meant. I have plenty of brain farts so no worries.
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Originally Posted by phughes
Gotcha. I sort of wondered, based on what you said, if that was what you meant. I have plenty of brain farts so no worries.
Beer may have played a part too.
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Originally Posted by phughes
gotcha. I sort of wondered, based on what you said, if that was what you meant. I have plenty of brain farts so no worries.
😎 I really don’t know what I was thinking.
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Originally Posted by pepperbelly
Beer may have played a part too.
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I've used many kinds of chain lube. I have been somewhat satisfied with all of them, ATF, even chainsaw/bar or whatever it's called, and even classic WD-40. None of them is perfect. Lately, I use Chain-L.
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Dumond Tech Blue...

There, all done, be amazed.

...or any other lube on the planet.
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Chain lubes is like comparing beers. My beer is the best, no MY beer is the best. The best beer is the one you like.

There was a fairly scientific study done comparing the various lubes. Some of the results were expected and some unexpected results. I use both a wax-based lube on some bikes and an oil-based lube on others. I like both.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Stay away from Epic Ride.. supposedly one of the worst options

It should be noted the test protocol used in these tests, vastly favors melt on wax or lubes that doesnt attract too much grit and sand. - Because it involves relubing on average every 200km (simulated) without any cleaning what so ever. He just adds more lube on top of old lube and added sand etc. Melt on wax will sort of clean the chain where liquid oil will not. Imo its a bit underhanded that with the drip on lubes no effort what so ever is done to clean the chain as opposed so removing, melt lube and replace the chain with melt on wax. If the chain survives to the end it amounts to removing and replacing the chain 30 times for melt wax vs zero cleaning or other maintenance for drip lubes.

That said Epict ride may be terrible, I dunno. Just commenting the test protocol highly favors some lubes and the results are likely only replicated IRL, if you copy that. If on the other hand you spend a similar amount of time taking cafe of a drip lubed chain, the results wouldn't be as dramatic.

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Originally Posted by drlogik
Chain lubes is like comparing beers. My beer is the best, no MY beer is the best. The best beer is the one you like.

There was a fairly scientific study done comparing the various lubes. Some of the results were expected and some unexpected results. I use both a wax-based lube on some bikes and an oil-based lube on others. I like both.
You are likely referring to the Friction Facts study. The graph from the study has been reproduced nearly everywhere (like here). What people seem to miss on that study is that the magnitude of the range is very, very small. Between the best and worst, there is a 5 W difference. And if we throw out the White Lightning Epic Ride outlier, the difference is only 3 W. The gains in power from the chain lube is very small and it hardly matters what is used.

To put the differences into perspective, 75W of power is needed to propel a bike at 12mph. A 5W loss is 7% of the power and a 9W loss is 1.2% of the power. At 18mph, the power need is about doubled and the percentage power loss due to the chain lube is about halved. It doesn’t make as much difference as people seem to think.
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I was asking more for chain life than power loss. If wax based lubes attract and hold less dirt and grit that is what I will use. It doesn’t matter to me if I need to lube more often.
I will stay with White Lightning Clean or Easy Ride.

Now to really stir things up here-how often should I clean my chain and how?
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Addition to #47

you also have to question the validity of some of the posted wear percentages. Frequently zfc posts figures in the 0-1% range. Meaning 0--1% of the wear allowance that is in itself 0.5% elongation vs a new chain.

Now tell me what lab grade equipment he uses to measure say 0.3% of 0.5% chain elongation. on a 110 link chain that would amount to 0.003 x 0.005 x 110 x 0.5 = 0.000825" or just shy of of thou measured over almost 4 feet.

Sure buddy! :-)
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