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Old 06-19-24, 11:25 AM
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Who is sick of tubeless maintenance?

The frustrations of maintaining tubeless setups. Punctures that plugs won’t fix. The mess of putting in a tube. Clogged stems you have to pull to clean then the tires won’t seal afterwards. Retaping, trying different stems and rubber gaskets.

While I admit I like the less harsh ride tubeless gives, what a pain in the butt if the tire unseats and the couple of CO2 won’t inflate the tire.

How many of you gave up on the maintenance and expense of tubeless and went back to tubes.
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Not me. Your problems don't reflect my experience, fortunately.
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Tubeless isn't for everyone.

--Low mileage
--Smooth paved roads
--Skinny high-psi tires
--Not competing

If any two (or more) of the above describe your riding, then tubeless might not be worth the effort.

If, on the other hand, you're a high-mileage gravel or MTB rider and regularly racing, then (in my opinion) you are absolutely nuts if you're not using tubeless.

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I've had a few challenges here and there. Most recently, I had a pair of gravel tires that would not inflate, despite using all the tricks I had available. My LBS took care of the issue for me in a few minutes with their compressor. For the first time, my Air Shot cannister didn't get the job done for me. Despite that difficulty, I'm still on board with tubeless on all my bikes. The fewer times I need to replace a tube at the side of the road/trail, the better. Especially when I have to pull out of a group ride to do it.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Not me. Your problems don't reflect my experience, fortunately.
Exactly. My experience has been no hassles and 5 yrs of zero flats.
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I'm running out of popcorn. Does anyone know where to buy it in bulk?
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Nope, never had those issues. Might be helpful to let us know what specific tyres, wheels, sealant and plugs you have been using so we can avoid them!
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I've personally seen plenty of cyclists hassle with them to know never go tubeless.
Then again, I like rim-braking, manual brifters, tubulars, and cheap sunglasses.
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I’ve been road tubeless for +10 years, and over that time, things have gotten a lot better and way less hassle. There’s still a learning curve to going tubeless, but once you understand what means what, know what you’re doing, and have the right equipment, it’s really no more hassle than tubes. Don’t forget, there are lot of people, particularly newbies, who find changing inner tubes a hassle. I’ve seen kids struggling to remove tires with a screwdriver, and was one of those kids many, many years ago! When you have the right equipment for the job and skills for it, anything is easier.

I have a good compressor, a good inflator head, and stock sealant like I used to stock inner tubes. I prefer rim beds without spoke holes, but try to keep a roll of tape around for those that have them, just in case. I use valves from the rim producer so the gasket matches the rim bed profile, and I understand the difference between tubeless tires and tubeless ready tires.

All together, I’ve got the gear and experience that make running 5 pairs of tubeless pretty painless and trouble-free.
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I don't really have a need for tubeless as I don't experience flats all that much and I can swap out a tube pretty fast. Plus if you have a major tire failure tubes are easier to deal with on the trail than tubeless, IMO.
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Originally Posted by roadcrankr
I've personally seen plenty of cyclists hassle with them to know never go tubeless.
Then again, I like rim-braking, manual brifters, tubulars, and cheap sunglasses.
the last line has the makings of a good country western song
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Originally Posted by b88
The frustrations of maintaining tubeless setups. Punctures that plugs won’t fix. The mess of putting in a tube. Clogged stems you have to pull to clean then the tires won’t seal afterwards. Retaping, trying different stems and rubber gaskets.

While I admit I like the less harsh ride tubeless gives, what a pain in the butt if the tire unseats and the couple of CO2 won’t inflate the tire.

How many of you gave up on the maintenance and expense of tubeless and went back to tubes.
I spend a lot less time maintaining my tubeless setups than I used to spend putting in new tubes on the side of the road (nearly always in boiling hot or freezing cold weather, on busy roads, or in mud) and patching tubes.
Interestingly, I don't recall ever coming to the internet to complain about fixing flats. I just fixed them. C'est la velo.

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I love it how people who don't even use tubeless tyres are sick of tubeless maintenance.
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I've learned over the years that a minute doesn't always equal a minute and an hour doesn't always equal an hour. An hour of maintenance here and there, in the comfort of home, might very well beat a few minutes on the side of the road in the weather changing a flat.

I ride with tubes and meet two of Koyote's criteria.
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Originally Posted by bbbean
I spend a lot less time maintaining my tubeless setups than I used to spend putting in new tubes on the side of the road (nearly always in boiling hot or freezing cold weather, on busy roads, or in mud) and patching tubes.
Interestingly, I don't recall ever coming to the internet to complain about fixing flats. I just fixed them. C'est la velo.
I once got mauled so badly by deer flies while changing a flat tube trailside, I was literally bleeding through my kit by the time I was back up and running, and had to hump it hard to flee the chasing swarm of the damn things! They wanted me dead, I’m sure!

So yeah, to the extent there are hassles, I’ll preferentially take ‘em at home rather than out on the road, too!

Also, “C’est la velo” is good!
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Originally Posted by squirtdad
the last line has the makings of a good country western song
HAD to run that through AI - here it is


**Rollin' on Tubulars**
(Verse 1)

Well I'm rollin' down the road, my tires grip tight

Got my rim-braking heart, in the morning light

Manual brifters shiftin', smooth as can be

Pedal to the metal, feelin' so free
(Chorus)

I'm rollin' on tubulars, feelin' the wind in my hair

Cheap sunglasses on, not a single care

Speedin' down the highway, feelin' so alive

With my ride and my music, I'll keep the dream alive
(Verse 2)

Got that road bike gear, it's all I need

Chasin' that horizon, plantin' the seed

Cruisin' through the countryside, under the sun

My tubulars singin', my journey's just begun
(Chorus)

I'm rollin' on tubulars, feelin' the wind in my hair

Cheap sunglasses on, not a single care

Speedin' down the highway, feelin' so alive

With my ride and my music, I'll keep the dream alive
(Bridge)

Gonna ride all day, ride all night

Chasin' that adrenaline, feelin' so right

Pedal to the metal, takin' the lead

With my rim-braking heart, I'll fulfill this need
(Chorus)

I'm rollin' on tubulars, feelin' the wind in my hair

Cheap sunglasses on, not a single care

Speedin' down the highway, feelin' so alive

With my ride and my music, I'll keep the dream alive
(Outro)

So if you see me passin' by, with a smile on my face

Know that I'm livin' my truth, in this wondrous race

Rollin' on tubulars, under the sky so blue

I'm a country rider, and I'll always stay true
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Originally Posted by roadcrankr
I've personally seen plenty of cyclists hassle with them to know never go tubeless.
I’ve seen enough people mauled by tigers to know never to mess with tigers, but I also have enough sense to know not to tell tiger handlers how to handle tigers.
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Originally Posted by roadcrankr
I've personally seen plenty of cyclists hassle with them to know never go tubeless.
Then again, I like rim-braking, manual brifters, tubulars, and cheap sunglasses.
That's fine, but the only really interesting question is this: do you wear your cheap sunglasses at night?
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Originally Posted by roadcrankr
I've personally seen plenty of cyclists hassle with them to know never go tubeless.
Then again, I like rim-braking, manual brifters, tubulars, and cheap sunglasses.
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Originally Posted by daviddavieboy
HAD to run that through AI - here it is


**Rollin' on Tubulars**
(Verse 1)

Well I'm rollin' down the road, my tires grip tight

Got my rim-braking heart, in the morning light

Manual brifters shiftin', smooth as can be

Pedal to the metal, feelin' so free
(Chorus)

I'm rollin' on tubulars, feelin' the wind in my hair

Cheap sunglasses on, not a single care

Speedin' down the highway, feelin' so alive

With my ride and my music, I'll keep the dream alive
(Verse 2)

Got that road bike gear, it's all I need

Chasin' that horizon, plantin' the seed

Cruisin' through the countryside, under the sun

My tubulars singin', my journey's just begun
(Chorus)

I'm rollin' on tubulars, feelin' the wind in my hair

Cheap sunglasses on, not a single care

Speedin' down the highway, feelin' so alive

With my ride and my music, I'll keep the dream alive
(Bridge)

Gonna ride all day, ride all night

Chasin' that adrenaline, feelin' so right

Pedal to the metal, takin' the lead

With my rim-braking heart, I'll fulfill this need
(Chorus)

I'm rollin' on tubulars, feelin' the wind in my hair

Cheap sunglasses on, not a single care

Speedin' down the highway, feelin' so alive

With my ride and my music, I'll keep the dream alive
(Outro)

So if you see me passin' by, with a smile on my face

Know that I'm livin' my truth, in this wondrous race

Rollin' on tubulars, under the sky so blue

I'm a country rider, and I'll always stay true

I am in awe.... need to see if one of my son's friends can put this to music

ever better would be a Cas Haley reggaeized country version

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Yep. Summer begins tomorrow and we're still experiencing a glut of Dead-of-Winter nonsense.
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I suggest if you are having issues you might be the person to take your bike to a shop regularly and have them help out. If you have problems like this it is usually not a situation most people have and probably due to a homebrew set up or a budget set up or something. It doesn't mean you cannot learn to do it yourself but you need to watch some more videos from Park Tool and Calvin and Co. can help out or have your local shop show you how to do it and get you the right equipment and fluids.

Tubeless is pretty easy to do if you have the right stuff and maintenance is really not that hard essentially every 6 months to a year maybe a little cleaning and some new fluid and that is not hard at all. The cleaning can be tedious sometimes but not always as important.
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Tubeless isn't an solution for every type of rider. If someone relies on a LBS for doing majority of the bicycles maintenance & cleaning the bicycle is considered a hassle, then it might be safe to say tubeless isn't ideal as it does require some bicycle maintenance know how.
that being said, I couldn't go back to tubes with the amount of junk out on the road.
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chaadster: I might question how you know so much about TPU when you run five sets of tubeless ... but I am mystified how you ride with five sets of tires ... I will struggle with that image for a while.

All differences aside you are doing great comedic things in this thread. Keep up the good work (no sarcasm intended at all. I am loving your responses here.)
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