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Originally Posted by Maelochs
(Post 23286650)
This is nonsense. if the two of them are riding and stopping in restaurants and hotels, the each need .... almost nothing. No different than packing for a 70-mile ride around town. Tubes, tools, pump ... a couple energy bars. If stopping at a store for lunch, then not even that.
And each one takes shifts in restaurants? Makes more sense to order take-out, doesn't it? But here is the unbelievable part---the guy is going to be driving a van. I don't care what else, if you can drive a van while riding a bike you have serious talent. Or ... do you mean that you will drive while the other rides? How is that any kind of a bonding experience? One sits in air conditioning while impeding traffic and the other pedals .... then switch? If you want to get to know your son better, not talking to him might be the best way---if in conversation you communicate like you do online. Otherwise ... Personally I think this whole thread is a troll. From the ridiculous picture (no one who is planning credit-card touring with van support will bring camping gear) to the ridiculous plans ... i think this guy is a pure troll ... at least in this thread. |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23286627)
Pretty much.
People get their panties in a wad over “Jef the Cyclist” in Pearls Before Swine, but based on the behavior of many here, Jef is spot-on.
Originally Posted by MikeDeason
(Post 23286613)
Content complainers abound. Most forums they move on to another thread. Here they complain, accuse and insult.
not complaining about touring. If you want to do it go nuts. |
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 23286708)
You both do know that you are under no obligation to post, read, respond, or complain about people complaining about your complaints, don't you?
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Just a frame bag and saddle bag and the frame storage should be enough.
Was debating between my Roubaix Apex with tubed 35mm S Works Mondo tires or my Checkpoint SL6 AXS with Marathon 38mm. the roubaix is definitely easier to pull up inclines but the Checkpoint ride is less harsh and basically puncture proof tires. Checkpoint has the frame storage and I guess I can use the fork mounts to carry more water bottles so probably go with that. |
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 23286708)
I mean, honestly, Mr. Deason comes here and does a Dunning-Kruger on bicycle touring and then is offended that people don't agree with him. Whatever could go wrong?
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Originally Posted by CAT7RDR
(Post 23286677)
Just back from my own Type II ride so I will not read this entire thread as I am enjoying my fatigue.
Point is, looks like a great Type II trip with your son. Pretty Kool in my book that you have progeny that shares your interest in touring. I would not take that for granted. |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23286725)
The Wiki page you linked to says D-K is a phenomenon where people overestimate their abilities. Doesn’t sound like Mike has done that at all.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
(Post 23286761)
We'll have to await a post-tour report to determine if this is the case.
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No pressure, though. I've abandoned two tours, a couple of solo century attempts, stopped riding at 10.5 hours into a 12-hour mountain bike race...
sometimes you need to know when not to go (any further) |
Real fun begins during a thunderstorm in the middle of nowhere. That's why I stick close to home and drive when I need to visit places.
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Ideally what I’d like is a frame bag that fits the entire area inside the frame for clothes and some basic first aid and tools then use the internal frame storage for flat kit. Water bottles on the fork mounts and one on top tube.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2db5f1fe.jpeg |
I say take the skateboards instead
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Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23286725)
The Wiki page you linked to says D-K is a phenomenon where people overestimate their abilities. Doesn’t sound like Mike has done that at all.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43c7e9b44.jpeg |
Originally Posted by XxHaimBondxX
(Post 23286801)
Real fun begins during a thunderstorm in the middle of nowhere. That's why I stick close to home and drive when I need to visit places.
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Originally Posted by MikeDeason
(Post 23286816)
Ideally what I’d like is a frame bag that fits the entire area inside the frame for clothes and some basic first aid and tools then use the internal frame storage for flat kit. Water bottles on the fork mounts and one on top tube.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e2db5f1fe.jpeg |
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 23286826)
The Dunning-Kruger effect is more nuanced than that. Often it's graphed on a confidence vs experience graph where someone with little to no experience is extremely confident in their abilities, statement, opinions, etc. Kind of like saying that there is no way that riding a loaded bike can be a pleasurable experience without having ever done the activity. Stating that no one can possibly find loaded touring to be a pleasurable experience without ever having done the activity is the very height of the "mountain of ignorance".
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43c7e9b44.jpeg Please quote where he said that no one can find loaded touring pleasurable. In his first post he asks how is it fun, and that it looks like torture. Neither of which speaks to his ability. My earlier post stands. |
Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
(Post 23286770)
No pressure, though. I've abandoned two tours, a couple of solo century attempts, stopped riding at 10.5 hours into a 12-hour mountain bike race...
sometimes you need to know when not to go (any further) |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23286853)
Went through the entire Wiki page, and didn’t see this graph. And while I didn’t read it in depth, skimming only surfaced “ability.” Absolutely nothing about experience v ignorance.
Please quote where he said that no one can find loaded touring pleasurable. In his first post he asks how is it fun, and that it looks like torture. Neither of which speaks to his ability. My earlier post stands. My graph doesn’t speak to Mr. Deason’s ability. It goes to his experience. Having apparently never tried the activity, he declares it not fun and torture. Some people…probably most…would agree even after they have tried it. Some people have tried it and found it not to be torture, enlightening and, yes, even fun…at least most of the time. Personally, I do it because I love the sense of discovery and adventure. |
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 23286988)
I generated that graph from many other examples of the Dunning-Kruger graph like the one used here. The X axis can carry many different labels like experience, knowledge, competence, skill, etc. Many things fit on that axis. Not everyone is going to fit that curve all the time nor even most of the time.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a18cdf7811.jpg His question is a general question to a general population. He says “how exactly is chugging along with all this baggage fun ? Looks like torture.” Kind of a general question. My graph doesn’t speak to Mr. Deason’s ability. It goes to his experience. Having apparently never tried the activity, he declares it not fun and torture. Some people…probably most…would agree even after they have tried it. Some people have tried it and found it not to be torture, enlightening and, yes, even fun…at least most of the time. Personally, I do it because I love the sense of discovery and adventure. |
These days, there seem to be a lot of folks here anxious to declare that an expression of OPINION, even described as such and couched in conditionals, is intended as a statement of universal fact, with which they then argue. "Look at this human figure I have constructed from dried grain stalks! See how easily I can push it over!"
Lighten up, guys. See first line of signature. |
Originally Posted by genejockey
(Post 23286993)
So much weak tea being brewed these days on BF. I've never been stretched on the rack, but I'm reasonably certain I wouldn't like it.
To be clear, there is nothing wrong with wanting to go that route. There is nothing wrong with disappearing into the wild for days or weeks at a time. There is nothing wrong with hiring someone else to carry a glamping kit behind you and serving you multi-course gourmet meals morning, noon and night. Nor is there anything wrong with never trying touring at all. If that floats your boat, go right ahead. Make whatever choice you want. But don’t go trying to make a choice for someone else nor question someone else’s choice. |
Originally Posted by genejockey
(Post 23287006)
These days, there seem to be a lot of folks here anxious to declare that an expression of OPINION, even described as such and couched in conditionals, is intended as a statement of universal fact, with which they then argue. "Look at this human figure I have constructed from dried grain stalks! See how easily I can push it over!"
Lighten up, guys. See first line of signature. |
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 23287014)
Go look at post 1 to see who harvested the straw, who collected the straw, who bundled the straw, and who got out the arts and crafts stuff to make that human figure.
"How is this fun?" is a question, not an assertion of fact. "Looks like torture" is clearly an expression of opinion, likely expressed somewhat hyperbolically. "Looks like" = "To me, it appears to be..." Now, if he'd said, "There's no way anyone could possibly enjoy this", as you seem to want him to have said, you might have a point, but he didn't, and you don't. |
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