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Old 11-06-05, 10:19 AM
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More reasons to hate ebay

Here's one, add your own...

1. Keyword fraud. Check out . this guy's auctions for some examples.

Bastard is obviously trying to hook people who are searching for something else, those aren't good-faith descriptions of the merchandise. But they're certainly not against ebay's terms of service, and there's no way for me to say "never ever show me any merchandise from this seller ever again."
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Old 11-06-05, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by lws
Here's one, add your own...

1. Keyword fraud. Check out . this guy's auctions for some examples.

Bastard is obviously trying to hook people who are searching for something else, those aren't good-faith descriptions of the merchandise. But they're certainly not against ebay's terms of service, and there's no way for me to say "never ever show me any merchandise from this seller ever again."
That's freakin' brilliant. I think i will start doing that.
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Old 11-06-05, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lws
...hook people who are searching for something else, those aren't good-faith descriptions of the merchandise. But they're certainly not against ebay's terms of service...
You are mistaken. Report this to e-Bay and they'll pull the auctions immediately. Keyword phishing is not allowed on e-Bay ever.
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Old 11-06-05, 02:05 PM
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Don't you think "Bastard" is a little harsh? It looks like the guy is a reputable seller who uses the Ebay additional description line to increase the viewers for his bikes.

The "Bastards" of Ebay are the scumbags that are blatantly trying to scam people. You know, the bastards with zero feedback that have 100 high end bikes listed way below retail. The bastards that tell you to contact them first before bidding. The bastards that make the bidders list "private". The bastards that want you to use their "escrow" service.

TYPICAL SCUM BAG:https://cgi.ebay.com/06-Trek-Bikes-Ma...QQcmdZViewItem

If Ebay is going to rely on their members to monitor the scumbags, let’s start with the scam artist and work our way down from there.

Ebay's new slogan should not be "IT". Instead, they should make it "Caveat Emptor".

And yes, I am an Ebay seller with over 500 transactions completed with 100% positive feedback.
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Old 11-06-05, 02:15 PM
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One reason I don't like selling on ebay is the questions that you get from people (ok - maybe I'm not cut out to be a seller). Most people have great questions but you always get someone who asks something strange and you end up trying to fugure out what to say in reply without turning them off.

For exmaple, I was watching a 2100 trek 5200 that was being sold and someone asked the buyer this question.

"Big favor here I doubt you'll say yes but its worth a shot> I am really looking for a high performance bike at a good cost.Your bike is the best deal I have ever seen , is there any chance in the world that you could take the bike off the auction and I could pay you five hundred dollars for the bike? I realize that this is a huge favor to ask and that only a true giver would go for this. Please consider my request, those who give shall recieve. Thank you for your time."

Now I'm sure the person asking had good intentions and there's no harm in trying but this bike evetually sold for 1100. Not many people I know are in the habit of giving away high priced items for cheap, hence the reason the person is selling his bike on eBay and not putting a buy it now price of $1. The seller ultimately replied that it would be against eBay regulations to remove the bike, which was a good response. Always some strange questions on eBay...

I guess I'm just annoyed that people you don't even know think you should be the giver and so that they can be the receiver. I do $500 on a bike like that for a friend but not for a stranger.
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Originally Posted by shoerhino

Now I'm sure the person asking had good intentions ...
I think you're more trusting than me. The language quoted sounds like classic broken-scam-english.

See https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html

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Old 11-06-05, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FarHorizon
You are mistaken. Report this to e-Bay and they'll pull the auctions immediately. Keyword phishing is not allowed on e-Bay ever.
That's BS. I can look for 10 seconds and find an auction with "phishing." I got warned for it one time and stopped doing it. But this guy is actually using the terms in his description. Like using the word TREK to mean hike, etc. I don't know if they can stop that or not.

If you can point me to some specific wording against this, i would appreciated it.
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Yeah that fool is keyword spamming.

I've been known to go through the bikes, computers, and audio auctions and report every single one of those at times.

I wish I still had the email where they were wondering why I was doing this....

I just get sick of doing a search for say, Magnepan speakers, and get hits for Bose....they aren't even based on the same technology....stuff like that makes me want to hogite the seller and gag them with dirty rancid gym socks.
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Originally Posted by Ranger
...If you can point me to some specific wording against this, i would appreciated it.
https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html

The "report" link is at the bottom of the page. If you find a keyword spammer - report them to e-Bay. E-Bay will **IMMEDIATELY** remove the auction, e-mail the offender a warning, and let you know they did it.

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Old 11-06-05, 11:07 PM
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Keyword spamming falls under misrepresentation of an item.

Sometimes the spamming is so over the top that the actual item name is not even in the title.


Pretty much all they want you to do is describe that item, and that item only.

Given close to nobody ever does that...it's just the blatant keyword spammers that mess it up for everyone.

Like the guys that will do a "Shimano 105 RD compare to campy!" statement...or the "Road bike nishiki trek raleigh colnago pinarello time kent gmc huffy murray scattante motobecane diamondback nagasawa" kind of crap....even worse if the above line is for describing a LeMond.....
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Old 11-06-05, 11:36 PM
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The shortcut to getting someone to remove their keyword spamming is to email the item to a friend. In this case, your friend's email address is rswebform@ebay.com.

By the way, his methods are pretty ordinary. The real smart ones list all the keywords in a paragraph, then paste that into their HTML description, but specify white as the text color. You never even see the keywords, but his stuff comes up for anything you search.
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Old 11-07-05, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FarHorizon
https://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html

The "report" link is at the bottom of the page. If you find a keyword spammer - report them to e-Bay. E-Bay will **IMMEDIATELY** remove the auction, e-mail the offender a warning, and let you know they did it.

Keyword spamming occurs when members place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. Keyword spamming in listings is not permitted on eBay. The text sellers place in listings must be directly relevant to the item being sold.


I don't think this makes what this guy did illegal. The words are appropriate in his description.
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Old 11-07-05, 09:50 AM
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Eh, not really. Mnt Fuji? For an American seller? Come on, you're beggaring credibility.
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Old 11-09-05, 12:26 AM
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I typically see the "Fuji not Trek Cannondale Schwinn" etc stuff on Ebay all the time. I think it's annoying but in the grand scheme of things not a major deal. If you want to talk about what sucks with Ebay let's talk about the sniping or the programs that will make a bid for you 2 seconds from the end of the auction. I never understood why Ebay never implemented the 15 minute rule. It's great for the seller because it gives the other buyers a chance to bid higher. Good for the buyer too if he really wants an item and is willing to pay for it. Sucks bidding on a 300 dollar item and getting outbid by fifty cents at the last minute. I keep saying I will never use Ebay again but I always return eventually.
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I don't understand the beef with sniping. I just put in my max bid. If someone outbids me, that's that. If it's worth $100 to me, I'll bid $101.89. If someone puts in a higher bid 10 seconds or 10 mintues before the end, good for them. If someone sniped an item out from under you, suck it up. They were willing to pay more than you.
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Old 11-09-05, 12:42 AM
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I don't take issue with snipers outbidding me for a dollar so much as the 2 seconds of time that Ebay gives you to post another bid. Even my T1 line can't compete with that. How many real auctions have you seen where they don't at least say "going, going, gone?" Yes I should have bid higher but I should have at least a chance to submit a higher amount if I want to in a reasonable time, say 10 minutes. And if the auction goes on for another hour so what? But that's not the way Ebay works, I know the rules of the game even if I don't agree with them.
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Ebay used to say "Going going gone" as part of the item sort function. Now it just allows you to sort by items ending soonest. Look on the bright side though - my wife doesn't understand the concept of getting outbid. She always makes sure she bids the highest. Seriously. I got outbid on a hub last week, and she was really confused. It was getting close to what I could get it in the store for when you factored in postage, but she didn't understand why I let someone outbid me.
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That brings up another excellent point Expatriate. People get carried away with the bidding all the time. Some people just will not be oubid at any price. As a seller you pray that those types of people will bid on your stuff. I do my research (as I'm sure you do) and if it gets close to what my LBS is selling it for then I let that one go and look for another. I would also add here that you really need to check the shipping on an item before you place a bid. I've been burned on that before. "It's a wheel, how much can that cost to ship?" Heh, you'd be surprised.
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Worse, wire bead tires. Won a pair for $4, $16 postage.
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Originally Posted by lws
... and there's no way for me to say "never ever show me any merchandise from this seller ever again."
In search, you can exclude one or more sellers – a handy feature.
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At least the girl isn't bad looking
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Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
At least the girl isn't bad looking
Gotta give the guy points for the gal, take some points away from our BF bruthas for looking at keywords and not the....uhh...art work.
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Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
At least the girl isn't bad looking
Pretty sure this seller is like a couple blocks from where I live. Do have to admit, he does get a few brownie points for adding the girl to the photos. Guess he wasn't getting what he wanted for the bikes before and thought a pretty girl would bring more bids. I've always thought his reserve and BIN prices were a bit high on most auctions, but I guess he sells most of the bikes sooner or later. I did get turned off by this seller on one question he answered from a guy asking if he could pick the bike up local to prevent having to spend $30 to ship it across town. The response was quite rude and basically said "No, I sell on the internet, I don't have a 'physical' location. Anyways, I watch an auction now and then, but probably wouldn't buy from him.
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Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
At least the girl isn't bad looking
Needs less clothing.
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Originally Posted by Bigtime
I typically see the "Fuji not Trek Cannondale Schwinn" etc stuff on Ebay all the time. I think it's annoying but in the grand scheme of things not a major deal. If you want to talk about what sucks with Ebay let's talk about the sniping or the programs that will make a bid for you 2 seconds from the end of the auction. I never understood why Ebay never implemented the 15 minute rule. It's great for the seller because it gives the other buyers a chance to bid higher. Good for the buyer too if he really wants an item and is willing to pay for it. Sucks bidding on a 300 dollar item and getting outbid by fifty cents at the last minute. I keep saying I will never use Ebay again but I always return eventually.

I don't mind losing an auction, but from a technical point of view, sniping using the ebayer's acct should be a bannable offense, since that is giving out your account info to a third party.

NOW...if a snipe service uses their own account, then forwards the goods to their client, I don't think that's so bad.

Sniping used to be utter BS back when auto-bid did not exist. Auto-bid was actually created to thwart most snipe attempts.

Pretty much I just consider them cowards, and make note to never buy from them, ever, since nobody who is confident in their bidding skills would resort to something like that. I rarely bid any closer than 20hrs to auction close, let alone snipish behavior, and I still win about 80% of my bids, and still get far less than what I could buying from say amazon or nashbar, or whatever other cheap online place I shop.
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