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Old 12-06-05, 02:10 PM
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And who said bike manufacturers will not work with you?

Just when I had about giving up on finding a great road bike with disc brakes, I found out Litespeed will custom make a road bike that will accept disc brakes. Yahooo.


The way Litespeed works is they have a charge for disc brake dropouts and a charge for customizing the frame. BUT these charges are not additive. For one charge you can get both. For custom you can either complete their form and let them design the custom frame for you, or give them the specs you desire.

2006 New Year's Resolutions

1. Figure out ideal custom bike:
what's the base? Blue Ridge, Ultimate, other?
What are best aero wheels?
Does an aero fork make any sense?

2. Build case for super duper Christmas bike next year............
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whats the weight penalty just out of interest?
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Interesting question, I'll see if I can find out.
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BTW, if ordering a custom Litespeed, the variables are:

Frame Model:
--Ghisallo
--Tuscany
--Vortex
--Siena
--Utimate
--Classic
--Blade
--Blue Ridge [ not on form, but available!!]

Geometry in cm:
1. headtube [tube between fork and handlebars ]
2. front center [ from BB to front wheel rim]
3. top tube [from headtube to seat post tube]
4. set back [ horizontal distance seat post tube is behind Bottom Bracket/pedal tube]
5. seat tube [ from BB to seat post opening]
6. seat tube angle [angle of chain stay-seat tube triange]
7. chainstain [from BB to rear wheel rim ]

8 optional colors of paint, if don't like brushed TI look.
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[QUOTE=HiYoSilver]Just when I had about giving up on finding a great road bike with disc brakes, I found out Litespeed will custom make a road bike that will accept disc brakes. Yahooo.
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There must be squillions of smaller custom framebuilders in the US who could tackle that problem. How much does Lightspeed charge for custom work?
Some custom framebuilders are artisan or famous name outfits charging a premium, others are making workmanlike frames for the local market at very reasonable rates.
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I cannot afford either of them ....
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Originally Posted by royalflash
whats the weight penalty just out of interest?
For Litespeed, less than 50g.

Does that help?
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Originally Posted by MichaelW
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Just when I had about giving up on finding a great road bike with disc brakes, I found out Litespeed will custom make a road bike that will accept disc brakes. Yahooo.
There must be squillions of smaller custom framebuilders in the US who could tackle that problem. How much does Lightspeed charge for custom work?
Some custom framebuilders are artisan or famous name outfits charging a premium, others are making workmanlike frames for the local market at very reasonable rates.
It seems to vary a bit according to the Litespeed dealer and the amount of customization you desire, somewhere between $350 and $500.
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Originally Posted by huhenio
I cannot afford either of them ....
It's sad you can't afford a car.

Often I've seen it's the mindset and the use of the bike. I'll be using my bike as cyclocommuter and pleasure riding vehicle. If I go to Honest Hal's Used Car Emporium, I can get a 5 year old clunker for $10K and pay $1K a year for insurance or I can go to Litespeed/Seven and get a sweet ride with $0.00 annual insurance costs.

If you want to keep you current car as backup, you can get reduced insurance rates for the limited miles you drive. Since you're only using the car as commuter for bad weather, and most of the time riding, that's a nice inbetween solution between only using a bike as a commuter in all weather situations and using a car only and suffering cardio system degeneration.
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Originally Posted by HiYoSilver
For Litespeed, less than 50g.

Does that help?
only 50g but that can't include the disc brakes themselves they must weigh quite a bit more than normal rim brakes.
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Royal,

We're talking custom. The best web form is http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...ND&BRAND.ID=32

1. open URL
2. click on a Litespeed model
3. select starting points:
3.1 frame size
3.2 color
3.3 drive train
3.4 click on continue
4. Now you have the full custom build form. Each option has
4.1 description of option
4.2 cost of option
4.3 weight of option in grams
4.4 total weight of bike is updated with changes

So to answer you question further:
A- what is the weight in grams of a non disc brake set?
B- which disc brake system are you using? each model and manufacturer will have a different weight.
C- calculate the differences. These will not be available from the online form.

Ballpark guess from me is about the weight of SKS plastic fenders, but this is very rough. I seem to think it is between 1lb and 2lbs, but been too long since I did a comparison. I don't know about you, but I can still easily lose 5 lbs, or more, so extra margin of safety with disc brakes is much more important than the small cost of disc brakes. I don't know that hydraulic discs are needed.

On the other hand, with disc brakes you can save money as you don't need higher quality rims/wheel sets with reinforced sidewalls to handle the friction wear from rim brakes. Some designers have suggested if you are using disc brakes, you can save weight by using lighter rims/wheelsets. I am still undecided on that argument.
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Forgot to mention, if you haven't found it already, look at weight weinies site for listing of all components.
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Yup ... you are right. But I need the damn thing.

Well ... lets put in perspective.

7k motorcyclce vs 5k bycicle.

the bicycle hands down.
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