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Old 01-12-06, 10:43 AM
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Bike Tunnels?

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Some guy is proposing an elevated bike tunnel system enclosed from the elements to reduce accidents and get more people riding during the winter.

Hardwicke says the bike tunnels would be comparable in cost to highway construction and could be built over existing streets, railways and hydro corridors. The tunnels would be one-way, with three lanes in each.

Because the tunnels offer protection from wind and with the cyclists riding in one direction, Hardwicke says the bikers would create their own tailwind, propelling them along at speeds much faster than they would average outdoors.

While Hardwicke's idea may sound offbeat, it's not the first time bike tunnels have been proposed. In the mid-1980s, Toronto engineer Joseph Adler laid out his plan for a bicycle expressway system.

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Denver, Co.-based Bicycle Transportation Systems Inc. has also proposed an elevated, enclosed network of bike tunnels. On its website for the Transglide 2000 bicycle transit system, the company boasts "constant powered air movement in direction of riding removes air resistance allowing average riding speeds of 25 miles (40 km) per hour."

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But Hardwicke remains determined to bring his idea forward. He talks about how the network would come with storage lockers, bike lockers and shower facilities and, because it would be pollution-free, could be routed directly into buildings.
If there was a city that would do this, it would be pretty freaking sweet. There are too many people who are scared to ride in the streets or in bad weather. Maybe something like this could tip the balance and start a whole new era of bicycles as transportation.

I thought it was weird to see this article after reading that red bull is putting on a MTB race in the St. Paul skyway system pretty soon...


Sadly, I doubt anyone will build it. But if they did, I'd move there!
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Old 01-12-06, 11:49 AM
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Transglide 2000

If they build it, I will come... Er... To that city, I mean.
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Old 01-12-06, 12:14 PM
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I can just imagine the "rush hour" traffic in those things. Roadies trying to go fast on left lane, but being slowed down by people on Wallyworld bikes. That think if they are going 5mph then it's fast enough for everyone. Probably the same people who drive below speed limit in the most left lane on freeways.
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Old 01-12-06, 12:32 PM
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LOL. Its so true.
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Old 01-12-06, 03:50 PM
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Sounds lovely. The public's ROI would be dubious at best. Consider the crime potential as well.
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Old 01-12-06, 04:02 PM
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So it would be like riding around in really long cages?
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Old 01-12-06, 04:35 PM
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Bicycle habitrail anyone?
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Old 01-12-06, 04:59 PM
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I think the chances of this happening are about the same as, say, a Liberal majority gov't on Jan. 24th!

My first reaction was, "Yuck!", but then I had a look outside at the snow, slush, salt, sand, gravel, and general crap on the roads. Let's face it, in out weather cycling can be pretty miserable for 4 months of the year.

I would never support a tunnel system throughout a whole city, nor would I support a bike lane on every street or a pathway system connecting every last home and business. A system of "bike freeways" is a valuable asset for longer distance commuting, however, and there are certainly days in which I would be overjoyed to use such a tunnel system.
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Originally Posted by baj32161
Bicycle habitrail anyone?

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Old 01-12-06, 06:26 PM
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I'll be the one in the left lane going 8mph with my left arm out .

BTW Send this up to the advocacy forum, they will have heart attacks
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Did anyone offer the remotest clue what this system might cost, both to build it and then to maintain it and make sure it's safe? This is the country that can't even put the money in to put a high speed rail link between Toronto and Ottawa remember, even though there would presumably be big long-term savings in terms of aviation spirit, gasoline and global warming.
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Old 01-12-06, 09:37 PM
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Did anyone offer the remotest clue what this system might cost, both to build it and then to maintain it and make sure it's safe? This is the country that can't even put the money in to put a high speed rail link between Toronto and Ottawa remember, even though there would presumably be big long-term savings in terms of aviation spirit, gasoline and global warming.
Separation from sidewalks and traditional law enforcement (cop cars) would be a HUGE hurdle. I think they would have to find some very strategically placed corridors to implement a few test runs. I don't think you would ever see the momentum for a system of dedicated bike corridors similar to the road system unless we run out of oil. And in that case, the bicycles would just take over the roads.
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While I think it would be a lot of fun if such bike tubes existed in one of the colder cities (they would be absolutely moronic in a mild climate like San Francisco), the idea is terrible. In the USA, most cities have a hard time taking care of existing infrastructure already. The tubes, their support structures, and elevators would be ugly no matter who designed them. Intersections between tubes would require massive enclosed structures in order to allow people to easily switch from one to the other. Imagine how extensive the bike tube network would have to be to make sure that you never have to leave it and get wet or cold (if you do, that would pretty much ruin it since you would need all the protective gear anyway). And most of all, here in the USA most people are way too lazy to ride a bike no matter how easy you make it for them.

Who came up with this idea originally? Was it that crazy Segway guy? Why are we always looking for complicated solutions to simple problems?
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Old 01-13-06, 10:42 AM
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It's a new WPA project:

-- construction workers
-- glass cleaners
-- bike cops
-- bike tow vechicles
-- HAC workers
-- spray paint marking clean ups
-- electrical flow control engineers
-- etc

Live from Copter 1-- central bikeway tunnel has just collapsed, 9 riders are down and what a commotion. It looks like the schnook winds today were stronger than glass tubes. Designer has not returned our calls. Updates live in 5.....
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Old 01-13-06, 02:55 PM
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ok.. so we're gerbals now? joy..
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I couldn't help but think about the smell. Just think of the smell of your health club. Multiply that by about 100 toss in some dogs and phewwwwwwwwww!
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
I'll be the one in the left lane going 8mph with my left arm out .
hahaha
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Old 01-13-06, 08:43 PM
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I think its a great idea to keep those @%$## bikes off the streets!
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