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"Breaking Away" Cyclists
I came across the film "Breaking Away," made in 1979, on cable yesterday. I saw the film when it was in theaters all those years ago, but have become a devoted, if inexpert, cyclist since.
To my eye, all the cyclists in the film seem to be riding larger frames than I see now, seem more stretched out, and more comfortable. Nothing else seems to have changed much, considering the passage of time, but I wonder if frame design theory really has changed to smaller-is-better, or is my impression false?
To my eye, all the cyclists in the film seem to be riding larger frames than I see now, seem more stretched out, and more comfortable. Nothing else seems to have changed much, considering the passage of time, but I wonder if frame design theory really has changed to smaller-is-better, or is my impression false?
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Back then people rode the largest frame that they could. Now they ride the smallest that they can, to save on weight, for one. So you are right, the frames used to be bigger.
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Here's a "hmmmm-I-wonder" for ya...
Road bike geometry is a bit longer than MTB geometry. Everyone in Breaking Away is on road bikes and the majority of the bikes we see now are mountain bikes.
Now, discuss...
Road bike geometry is a bit longer than MTB geometry. Everyone in Breaking Away is on road bikes and the majority of the bikes we see now are mountain bikes.
Now, discuss...
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Originally Posted by MMACH 5
Here's a "hmmmm-I-wonder" for ya...
Road bike geometry is a bit longer than MTB geometry. Everyone in Breaking Away is on road bikes and the majority of the bikes we see now are mountain bikes.
Now, discuss...
Road bike geometry is a bit longer than MTB geometry. Everyone in Breaking Away is on road bikes and the majority of the bikes we see now are mountain bikes.
Now, discuss...
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Breaking Away is probably the best movie with bicycling as a central part of the story, but the movie is not very accurate in a lot of the cycling scenes. I wouldn't take it as an accurate historical reference of the state of road racing bikes in 1979.
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I've only recently gone back to only a fistfull of seatpost.... These 'as big as you can get' traditional frames (with proper top tube length, of course) seem to fit me better than 'smaller is better' frames.....
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Fads go in cycles, litterally. Back in the "Breaking Away" days, the bike-boom hasn't started yet and most bikers were serious tourers or racers. They've had years of riding under their belt and their bodies are strong and flexible.
Then we enter the bike-boom of the '80s and saw an explosion of popularity with tonnes of new riders entering the market. New riders tend to need more upright positions with shorter reaches to the bar. They may also tend to have dismount accidents with banging the jewels on the top-tube as well. So shops tend to select smaller frames for new riders to get them comfortable on the bike.
Somewhere in there, a mistaken logic-assumption was made that "Hey, they're fitting people on smaller-than-traditional bikes, smaller is better and even smaller is best". New racers also make the mistaken assumption that smaller frames are lighter and stiffer, therefore must be better, so smallest is best. What they don't realize is that it's the frame-only that may be stiffer, such as from the seat-collar clamp to the BB or the headtube to BB. However, when you attach a long untriangulated cantilever arm of a seatpost and stem, the stiffness from the seat-to-BB and handlebar-to-BB is not as stiff or as light. Seatpost/stem tubing is much thicker and heavier than equivalent-length of triangulated frame-tubing.
So about 3-4 years ago, we saw this "smaller is better" trend reach a peak with the compact-frame designs. If it continued, we'd all be riding mixte frames . However, logic and rational has been regained and we're starting to see a reserval of the trend. Many and numerous threads have been posted with photos by people who are having comfort issues due to being too cramped. They've been advised that their frame that fit fine when they first bought the bike is too small for a more fit rider. Adding a longer stem helped a lot of times as people got stronger and more flexible. However, the too-low of handlebars due to too-small a frame can't be easily rectified unless you get a new fork with longer steerer and big stack of spacers or a high-rise stem.
Besides, measuring a seat-tube length for bike-fit is silly IMHO. It's based upon standover height and how much of your riding time is spend standing and straddling bike anyway? Most of the time, you're riding it, so I think top-tube length and total-reach is a more important measurement anyway. In my shop, we measured people and suggested frames with 1" crotch clearance. Personally for my own bikes I measure for top-tube length first and end up with frames that pushes slightly on the bottom of the sack when I'm standing (with cleats & shoes on). This ends up giving me a nice comfortable fit with a 130-135mm horizontal stem and minimal 2" handlebar-drop from the seat.
Then we enter the bike-boom of the '80s and saw an explosion of popularity with tonnes of new riders entering the market. New riders tend to need more upright positions with shorter reaches to the bar. They may also tend to have dismount accidents with banging the jewels on the top-tube as well. So shops tend to select smaller frames for new riders to get them comfortable on the bike.
Somewhere in there, a mistaken logic-assumption was made that "Hey, they're fitting people on smaller-than-traditional bikes, smaller is better and even smaller is best". New racers also make the mistaken assumption that smaller frames are lighter and stiffer, therefore must be better, so smallest is best. What they don't realize is that it's the frame-only that may be stiffer, such as from the seat-collar clamp to the BB or the headtube to BB. However, when you attach a long untriangulated cantilever arm of a seatpost and stem, the stiffness from the seat-to-BB and handlebar-to-BB is not as stiff or as light. Seatpost/stem tubing is much thicker and heavier than equivalent-length of triangulated frame-tubing.
So about 3-4 years ago, we saw this "smaller is better" trend reach a peak with the compact-frame designs. If it continued, we'd all be riding mixte frames . However, logic and rational has been regained and we're starting to see a reserval of the trend. Many and numerous threads have been posted with photos by people who are having comfort issues due to being too cramped. They've been advised that their frame that fit fine when they first bought the bike is too small for a more fit rider. Adding a longer stem helped a lot of times as people got stronger and more flexible. However, the too-low of handlebars due to too-small a frame can't be easily rectified unless you get a new fork with longer steerer and big stack of spacers or a high-rise stem.
Besides, measuring a seat-tube length for bike-fit is silly IMHO. It's based upon standover height and how much of your riding time is spend standing and straddling bike anyway? Most of the time, you're riding it, so I think top-tube length and total-reach is a more important measurement anyway. In my shop, we measured people and suggested frames with 1" crotch clearance. Personally for my own bikes I measure for top-tube length first and end up with frames that pushes slightly on the bottom of the sack when I'm standing (with cleats & shoes on). This ends up giving me a nice comfortable fit with a 130-135mm horizontal stem and minimal 2" handlebar-drop from the seat.
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Fads go in cycles, litterally. Back in the "Breaking Away" days, the bike-boom hasn't started yet and most bikers were serious tourers or racers. They've had years of riding under their belt and their bodies are strong and flexible.
Then we enter the bike-boom of the '80s and saw an explosion of popularity with tonnes of new riders entering the market.
Then we enter the bike-boom of the '80s and saw an explosion of popularity with tonnes of new riders entering the market.
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I believe that most folks would consider the mid 1970s to be the bike boom years.
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anyone notice that all the members of team cutters could use the same bike in the last race scene, even the kid who keeps getting dogged for being small?
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I'll have to rent the movie to be sure but the last time I saw it I think he was using his 42 chainring when he was drafting the truck at 55mph.
When I got my CrossCheck in 2003, I purposely went for a larger frame than what would normally be spec'd. I too have about a fist-full of seatpost showing but the fit is right on.Until now, the majority of my riding was from the 70's and early 80's.
When I got my CrossCheck in 2003, I purposely went for a larger frame than what would normally be spec'd. I too have about a fist-full of seatpost showing but the fit is right on.Until now, the majority of my riding was from the 70's and early 80's.
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Originally Posted by thebankman
anyone notice that all the members of team cutters could use the same bike in the last race scene, even the kid who keeps getting dogged for being small?
Originally Posted by Little 500 Web Site
"The Little 500 includes both a 200 lap men's and 100 lap women's race on a quarter mile cinder track. Entrants are given one-speed Roadmaster bicycles which have to meet rigid specifications in order to be used. Teams are made up of as many as four riders. The riders treat the race much like a running relay; when one rider is tired, s/he exchanges the bicycle with a teammate."
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Originally Posted by Fred Smedley
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The 80's boom was clearly an MTB thang and fueled mostly by all the riders who wanted 'in' on the new ride.
In all, its all good - not only do we have more ways and places to ride, but more ways to gear up. Some good stuff and ideas come from both booms.
On the negative side, bike shops will still sell you EXACTLY what you desire, even if it isn't the best thing for you for real riding. So ... in the 70's many noobs insisted on the largest bike they could almost straddle. Now they insist on the tiniest piece of Gas Pipe they can scrunch up on. With the end result being that riding becomes 2ndary to the problems of figuring out what is not quite right.
Breakin Away is so special that the liberties taken, like the semi drafting scene, are inconsequential to the riches it carries. In way less than 2 hours it covers so many 'human' topics in ways that make us realize that growing up, no matter the age, is a difficult place to get to. And it uses our favorite magic carpet.
I don;t even have to be looking at the screen, all I need to hear is the light clicking of Dave's chain and cogs to be carried to the remembrance of that magic place - the ride.
Doesn't get any better.
And all done without even a hint of an appearance of a firearm... hollywood still hasn't learned many lessons from this gem.
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Hey, the pump in the spokes was pretty deadly...
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Fads go in cycles, litterally. Back in the "Breaking Away" days, the bike-boom hasn't started yet and most bikers were serious tourers or racers. They've had years of riding under their belt and their bodies are strong and flexible.
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Originally Posted by DCCommuter
I'm still mad about that one. I haven't touched Cinzano in 26 years.
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce
i'd go so far as to say breaking away was one of the factors that helped spurn the bike boom.
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After watching this movie for first time week go it was impossible to not be angry when the italian dude gets that blue pump out. you kjnow what he's going to do with it too as soon as you see it. that made me so mad, team cutters 4 ever!
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce
i'd go so far as to say breaking away was one of the factors that helped spurn the bike boom.
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easy there cheesy. maybe it didn't spawn or spur or spurn the bike boom, but i'm sure it spiked road bike sales, not to mention campy cycling hats.
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Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Hey, the pump in the spokes was pretty deadly...
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce
easy there cheesy. maybe it didn't spawn or spur or spurn the bike boom, but i'm sure it spiked road bike sales, not to mention campy cycling hats.
I'm not saying it didn't help spur interest in bikes, but as far as I can recall, without actually looking anything up at this moment, the '70s bike boom was over by maybe '75 or '76. I imagine by '79, ze French were feeling a bit spurned.
Bonjour, papa.