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Old 02-20-06, 07:19 AM
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POLL: Shell or no shell

Hi

I'm trying to gather a response with simple yes or no answers and more if you like, numbers are more important though.
The question is whether you like the idea of a canopy or not; that is a kind of tent to cover you from the wind/cold/rain..
I know the problems of existing models are of a kite effect.. (heavily affected by the wind), but I want you to consider a hypothetical canopy which isnt affected by the wind, allows freedom to stretch your arms from the side and put your feet down.. but it shelters you from the rain and is removable when the weather is fine.

Please respond with a .. yes I like the idea of being enclosed form the elements.. (or whatever the reason)
or.. no, I like facing the elements..

Thanks v much

to give you an idea of what existing models look like.. here is a picture of one!

https://www.alternatives.com/ultimate/jpg_gallery.html[/URL]
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Old 02-20-06, 08:02 AM
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My rainjacket isnt affected by the wind, allows freedom to stretch your arms from the side and put your feet down.. but it shelters you from the rain and is removable when the weather is fine.

I have a hard time believing one of those canopies could be unaffaected by wind. Even if they did, I'm not sure id have the room to store one. My rainjacket works well as is.
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Old 02-20-06, 10:21 AM
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Hi,

Just to re-itterate the benefits of a canopy if it worked without any of the problems of existing ones..
Pretty much like being inside a room or tent, while being on your bike!
No need to wear layers of clothes to keep the wind off you.. just whatever's comfortable

[now, the reality may not be some sort of forcefield but it could be significantly improved from what is already there]

I spose what Im asking is to all those who may not use their bikes all the time or those who would like a little more comfort when they ride.. when if its really hammering it down outside you would just take the car, or a canopied bike?

(What I'm trying to find out from all this is whether there is the demand for such a product.. if everyone who looks here can just put a yes or no down I'd really appreciate it).
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Old 02-20-06, 10:25 AM
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No. The circumstances in which I'd want to use it are far to limited. I'd wan't it for all day warm rain rides on a bike with really good fenders. Not my cuppa. The long range touring and endurance folks might like to enough to pay good money for such an item.
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Old 02-20-06, 10:25 AM
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No. I want to be out in the elements when I am on my bike.
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Old 02-20-06, 10:35 AM
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IMHO, the view isn't worth the trip. Just get a good rainsuit. Unlike recumbents, uprights have such a high profile that a protective fairing will cost you too much in weight and speed.
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Old 02-20-06, 10:41 AM
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Ok i'll repost since you clarified it.

No.

And i just spent 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, for the whole month of january cycling in the pacific northwest where we just had the wettest january ever with 29/31 days of rain. I already dont ever take the car due to rain.

Im sure there is a demographic who would though, the beach cruiser market might be more apt to go for it.

Edit: if it was a magic forcefield style id be interested though I just cant see any way where it isnt either a sail, bulky, heavy, etc. If you somehow eliminated every one of the downfalls, then id at least look at it again as an option.
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Old 02-20-06, 11:02 AM
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You'd have to add a feature, "compact when not in use". I commute to work in the morning, and home in the afternoon. It is VERY common to have inclement weather on only one of those trips. So it would have to pack down small enough to bring with me all the time and only use it when I need it (weight wise I'd give you a limit of 3-5 lbs. Size would be more important to me though, if it has 18-inch tent poles it'd be too big even if it weighed nothing).

I agree with the others that it seems like some of the obstacles are insurmountable. However if it really had none of the listed downsides I would definitely consider it.

Everyone: He's suggesting NO downsides, so imagine it's a forcefield. Would you consider one? Hell yeah :-). If it were like a box 6" square that took D-cell batteries (or used its own rechargeable battery pack) and could sustain a weather-repelling forcefield for an hour or two I'd buy one if I could afford it.

Oh one other thing to consider is setup time. Many of us bike commuters already have an extended period of time consumed by locking up bikes, changing clothes, etc. If it takes 5 minutes to put on or take off that'd be a major downside.
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Old 02-20-06, 11:58 AM
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No - politely
Like Jarery, we've had lots of rain here. I use huge fenders with huger flaps. Ski clothes and waterproof hikers. Next year, I'm getting one of those bike ponchos for all the extra air they afford. I don't care so much about wind resistance when it's that nasty.

NOTE: I can see this product being more successful in Germany, Denmark, Holland, etc, (it rains alot there).
I have read that those folks use their bikes more often but for much shorter, less intense riding than Americans, on average. I could see leaving the canopy set up all the time if I lived and biked there.

I'll try to find the site I read that on...

Here it is:https://www.bicyclinglife.com/Effecti...oadsWeHave.htm

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Old 02-20-06, 01:27 PM
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No shell, thanks.
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Old 02-20-06, 02:37 PM
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I'm afraid I can't see how something like that would not act like a huge sail. As it is, I've been in crosswinds so strong that they've pushed me across the road, and headwinds so strong I had to shift into an easier gear and keep pedalling to descend a hill. With the winds I've encountered, I look at something like that and think of it as extremely dangerous.

And where I live, if it is really hammering it down outside, there is also usually a gale-force wind accompanying the rain.

Looking at the one in the photo, and thinking about the conditions I ride in, I'd have to wear my full set of rain/cold weather gear anyway.

I'd have to say, "No" I wouldn't be interested in something like that.
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Old 02-20-06, 03:08 PM
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Considering the picture provided I have to say no.

At best it would appear to only offer cover for the upper half of the body and despite assurances looks like it would suffer too much at the hands of the elements.

Furthermore it means that a cyclist looses the advantage of adjustable height. Occasionally activity on trails means overgrown folliage which it helps to be able to duck under and weave away from.

I can see where it might be an attractive option for an urban rider but the product lacks one very critical advantage held by rainwear, it cannot be put on inside. Any rider who has been caught in a sudden burst of rain will attest that the first thing you look for is somewhere sheltered to put on the rain wear. With this product the best you could hope for is being in a safe area where you could leave it on the bike without worry of harm and walk to it in the rain getting wet, the worst would be putting it up in the rain, getting wet.
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Old 02-20-06, 07:07 PM
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Thanks for the posts people.. some interesting points there.. I'd like to point out that what Im proposing is not whats in that photo.. thats just to give you some idea. But I agree it does look dangerous.

Please continue to comment on the shell but Id like to post a new idea.. please give your comments to that if you would..
Again I havn't worked out the details, these are just ideas at the moment but.. Heated handlebars and/or pedals. What do you think?

[Just to let you know what all this is in aid of.. Im a student in the uk doing sustainable design. Im also a keen cyclist and commuter and I do agree with many of your points].
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Old 02-20-06, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by si_keay
Again I havn't worked out the details, these are just ideas at the moment but.. Heated handlebars and/or pedals. What do you think?
Most snowmobiles have heated handlebars, maybe you could take a look at them for some ideas.

Also battery gloves and socks are easily attainable here in Canada (and fairly inexpensive too), so you might have a look at them too.
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Old 02-20-06, 08:00 PM
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NO


I had a roomy fully faired trike. A full enclosure like you described. In winter the bubble window froze over and in the summer I roasted. Give me airflow or give me death, literally.
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Old 02-21-06, 08:31 PM
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No. Any canopy, including that one, would get in the way if (when) I crash.
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