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Old 08-01-06, 01:42 PM
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Back problem

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I commute by bike everyday. Just in the last few days I noticed when I finish my ride my mid lower back hurts. The first day I noticed it, it was on my way home from work, The day I also moved alot of really heavy things before I rode home. Now, my backs only hurts after I finish my ride, so automatically you would think it has something to do with my bike, but the fact that it started the same afternoon as when I moved all that stuff makes me think.

Also, I recently purchased a new bar for my bike, I had the bar up way higher than the last one, I left it there for a few days to see if I liked it, I didnt, so I dropped the bar down just a tiny lil bit. But its still alot higher than it was when I first bought it. So i'm not leaning over to the bar near as much as when I first bought the bike. I rode the bike for a few days with the second change of the bar with no problems, rode the bike with the high position I had it when the bar was changed with no problem and I also rode it for a year with the lowest position of the 3 with not a problem.

So maybe something is wrong with my back, not caused by the bike, but riding the bike agravates(sp) it?

Looking for opinions.

Thanks.
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Usually, but not always, higher bar= back pain and extra effort pedaling. 2 bits of advise- consider getting one of those easily ajustable stems. Also, do the back stretches that your chiropractor showed you if you have one, and see a chiropractor if you aren't already.
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Old 08-01-06, 06:04 PM
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see a chiropractor if you aren't already
Chiropracty is not based on any legitimate science. It is based on the belief that vertebral subluxations are the cause of nearly every disease. It is anectdotal at best, and refuted by many double blind clinical studies.
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Old 08-01-06, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Michigander
Usually, but not always, higher bar= back pain and extra effort pedaling. 2 bits of advise- consider getting one of those easily ajustable stems. Also, do the back stretches that your chiropractor showed you if you have one, and see a chiropractor if you aren't already.

Really? I thought having my bar/hoods raised higher would be easier on my back, the thinking that I wouldnt be leaning over so much.
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Old 08-01-06, 08:14 PM
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Slowandsteady, believe what you want, but my chiropractor has done the trick for me for many years. I only need to see her once every year or two, and when I do, she fixes my back right up.

danny, the problem with high bars is that you can't use your hands to pull up which aids pushing on the pedals. Also, your legs transfer a lot of stress to your back that would otherwise be absorbed by your arms.
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Old 08-02-06, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Michigander
Slowandsteady, believe what you want, but my chiropractor has done the trick for me for many years. I only need to see her once every year or two, and when I do, she fixes my back right up.

danny, the problem with high bars is that you can't use your hands to pull up which aids pushing on the pedals. Also, your legs transfer a lot of stress to your back that would otherwise be absorbed by your arms.



When you use the pulling up of the arms to increase pedal pressure, where would you say the resulting stress or strain will have to be hinged ? Danny your ideas are correct.
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Old 08-02-06, 05:35 PM
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I went to a workshop with a doctor who specialized in this a while back (I'm also a sometimes back pain sufferer)

While back pain is often related to a specific incident - such as lifting heavy things - it's not caused by that incident. It's caused by lack of flexibility and core strength - those set the stage for problems, and then it just takes a little trigger to cause the problems. Spending lots of time on a bike and not doing other activities can set the stage.

Things you can do:

1) Stretch. There are a lot of good back stretches out there, and you need to find one that works for your specific issue. This helps with the pain, but won't address the underlying causes.
2) Hamstring flexibility. This is a classic problem with cyclists, and can cause back pain, especially if you have asymettrical flexibility (I do).
3) Abdominal and back exercises. I do a variety of normal ones, plus rows and lat pull downs.
4) Massage. Spasms are self-reinforcing, and massage or heat treatment can help. Or cold treatment.

I've just started using the Cyclo-core and cyclo-zen training plans to work on my back. I'm not where I need to be, but I'm getting there.

All that you can do on your own, but it might be nice to get some medical advice. Ideally, you'd fine a physical the****** that understands cyclists and can comment both on your position and on your flexibility and strength.

The downside of that is that all physical the******s are sadists.
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Originally Posted by slowandsteady
Chiropracty is not based on any legitimate science. It is based on the belief that vertebral subluxations are the cause of nearly every disease. It is anectdotal at best, and refuted by many double blind clinical studies.
Don't be an extremist. Chiros fix crooked backs. Backs get out of whack and pinch nerves. Don't expect a Chiro to fix "nearly every disease". Go to a VooDoo doctor for that.

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So what does everybody think is causing it? The bike or the lifting of the super heavy boxes that day?

I didnt take the bike to work today. The pain is very dull, but I can feel it 100% now.

Also, I was at the bike shop today, getting a new helmet, and I explained the whole thing to one of the guys, he 100% thinks it's not the bike, mostly because the bar is raised higher than it was before, and I had 0 problems then. I'm leaving my bar as is. Thanks guys so far!
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Old 08-02-06, 08:25 PM
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With a more upright posture, your back is less able to "flex" with bumps in the road...instead they are transmitted directly up your back, compressing it.

Being a bit leaned forward allows you to flex to soak up road shocks. It also puts less of your body weight onto your butt and lower back; with handlebars level with the saddle and a proper reach distance, you should probably be supporting up to 30% of your body weight with your arms.
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Old 08-02-06, 10:11 PM
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Ride on the drops more often .... I had L4 and L5 fixed and it works well from me
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Old 08-02-06, 10:41 PM
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Recumbent = no more back pain. 'nuff said.
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Originally Posted by banzai_f16
With a more upright posture, your back is less able to "flex" with bumps in the road...instead they are transmitted directly up your back, compressing it.

Being a bit leaned forward allows you to flex to soak up road shocks. It also puts less of your body weight onto your butt and lower back; with handlebars level with the saddle and a proper reach distance, you should probably be supporting up to 30% of your body weight with your arms.
Well, it comes down to what exactly is hurting on his back. Spine-compression pains will be sharp and intense. You turn this way or that or look up or bend down and the searing hot pain will have you screaming in agony. Pulled muscles will result in a dull sore ache, which sounds more like what he's experiencing. As previously mentioned, stretching to increase flexibility and strengthening exercises to build up the muscles will cure the problem permanently.

I used to be plagued by chronic back pain. Getting forced into bed-rest for over two months made me look at other ways of dealing with it other than just finding ways to "make do" with my weak back. A chiropractor and PT helped with the real solution, back workouts in the gym. Once I was able to hang onto and lift 50lbs weights during back-lifts on the roman-chair, there was no amount of stress I could place on it while riding that could possibly hurt it. Haven't had a problem with sore back in 15-years. BTW - added benefit was that I could spend an entire weekend working on my cars, bent over the engine-bay and not feel a thing Monday morning.
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Old 08-03-06, 08:43 AM
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Once I was able to hang onto and lift 50lbs weights during back-lifts on the roman-chair, there was no amount of stress I could place on it while riding that could possibly hurt it. Haven't had a problem with sore back in 15-years.
Explain better plaase. What's a back lift? What's a roman chair? Could you describe your workout method?
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Strengthen your core--abs, obliques, back muscles. Weak core = injured back.
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Originally Posted by N_C
Recumbent = no more back pain. 'nuff said.
That was my next suggestion.
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Don't be an extremist.
I suggest you do your own research into the topic.
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Originally Posted by velogirl
Strengthen your core--abs, obliques, back muscles. Weak core = injured back.
Absolutely! Yoga anyone?
 
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Originally Posted by slowandsteady
I suggest you do your own research into the topic.
No, I'm good! You research and agonize over the results.
 
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Recumbent = no more back pain. 'nuff said.
Recumbent bikes won't do much to make your back stronger though. That's one of the benefits of a traditional bicycle - it tones much more than just your legs.
 
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