momod

I raise and train cattle dogs and use a vinegar spray which works very well. If you try to kick the dog you are probably increasing your likelihood of getting bit. Owners are liable if their dogs bite you and there are already laws so whats the problem? Dogs contribute a great deal to our society and its a shame there are so many ass clowns out there who control theirs.

skeeter

Now Gomer, Is it true if a dog CHASES one, that said person kicks (or beat it with an olive stick ) he/she in retalliation & then when he/her(four legged friend) retaliates by going for the throat, said person can sue the owner?

CommuterRun

Yep, in Florida you can. Don't know if any other states have a different set up. It's free money on the table, all you have to do is take it. Their homeowner's or renter's insurance will cover it. If they don't have insurance? Too bad for them. After one bite the dog gets labeled as vicious. Two bites and the dog is out, unless the owner has a whole lot of money to spend on very much increased insurance and in the eyes of the law, the dog is still vicious.

Edit-Their insurance does not go up if they get rid of the dog, and when passing on a dog that has bitten, I believe (not 100% sure on this) that there is a disclosure law. The old owner has to tell the new owner that the dog has a history of biting and has been labeled vicious. The other option is to go through the animal shelter, but the vicious label still follows.

linux_author

+1

- you don't see any stray dogs in my county... the gators take care of 'em pretty quickly... in fact, gators have taken dogs right off the leash due to foolish dog owners walking their pets too close to the edge of retention ponds, bayous, or local impoundments...

nelson249

Geez, we could use some gators on the MUPs around here. It would pretty much solve the extendo-leash problem.

Doid23

I can think of plenty of reasons that I would have to answer my door with a pistol in my hand. For instance, if......like...well, if someone......maybe if,.....actually, I take that back, I can think of no good reason that I'd answer the door with a gun in my hand.

NOW I know why going to talk to the owner of the dog is the worst idea in this thread, I'm sure that solves the problem in about 1% of the cases. So, not a lot of upside, lots of downside.

aikigreg

I've solved the problem. Sawed-off mossberg fits nicely underneath the top tube.

"This is my BOOM stick" - Ash.

momod

I dont know if the gomer was necessary but..


most dogs in my experience dont chase to bite they chase to chase. Obviously you have a right to protect yourself and yes you would still have a legal upperhand regardless. The owners are required to control their dogs.

I just hate seeing all this dog hate, it is mans best friend you know.

momod

nice to see a deadhead on here.

I ride in tucson and have only been into this for about a month but have seen alot of the older riders with dead stickers..

I ran into Charley Phogg
He blacked my eye and he kicked my dog
My dog he turned to me and he said
Let's head back to Tennessee, Jed

aikigreg

oh, and BTW, do NOT try the ammonia in a spray bottle trick. Good way to make sure you go blind along with the dog.

Flak

Rednecks on bicycles. Love it.

Its just a dog. In almost all cases, domesticated dogs are chasing you for fun because you're a swift moving target and they like to run and chase things. They have no intention to harm you if and when they catch you. Fact is, almost all domesticated dogs unless trained otherwise consider humans to be friendly. Worst case scenario the dog is aggressive for some reason and tries to bite you, just kick the crap out of it and file a police report. Even then thats excessive most of the time. There are plenty of ways to deter a dog chasing you short of brutally killing it. Stop and face it in a fighting stance and yell "NO! DOWN!". Doubtful it will keep coming, and if it does, dogs are easily handled.

My dog has never chased anyone, that's what leashes and training are for. Hypothetically speaking though, if she were to chase some guy on a bike and catch them, all she would be interested in doing is playing with you or licking you. If some dog hating nut hurt or killed her for that, rest assured that although she wasn't coming at you with malicious intent, i sure as hell would be.

skeeter

oh i don't have any doubt you can't.

skeeter

2 legged animals are chomped on too.

skeeter

I will just state in this Big pile of BS of a thread where the flies have come to feed,
You kick or commit any kind of battery on any of my dogs for chasing you, you best be prepared for the reaction.
As one here states about toting a "shotgun on the toptube" that is all best for you but i would suggest you best be prepared to start taking lives with it or you might just find some opposing traffic entering into your one way valve(meaning AlOT more than just the obvious.)

Doid23

You are obviously one tough hombre (which is rare on the internet). But if you're so tough, how come you need to answer the door with a pistol in your hand?

skeeter

well maybe where you are one can just start killing & beating on all the 4 legged animals for just chasing but not here.

skeeter

suit yourself, whatever works for YOU.

Flak

All this gun talk makes me want to move back to Australia where the gun culture is near non-existant.

Answering the door with a gun in hand? Riding with a gun to shoot dogs that are chasing you probably just for harmless fun?

Good to know who im out there riding with. Just don't shoot me when i call "rider up" you paranoid itchy trigger finger freaks.

momod

anyone that beats a dog for anything other then self defense is a chicken **** coward who take out their frustrations and inability to cope with life on helpless animals.

secondly, Im not really sure what the hell you are saying cause it has nothing to do with my point. Maybe you should try to develop the amazing power of reason and common sense, it comes in handy.

momod

weak and scared people roll that way. In AZ you can carry a gun legally as long as its not concealed, but im confident enough to actually talk to people like a man.


I love Australia brother, I got to spent two weeks in Sydney and Brisbane in 86' and have been trying to get back there ever since.

InTheTrenches

So who is at fault if you have a fenced yard and someone walks up to the fence? You tell them to stay away from the fence, the dogs are very yard protective. He steps right up to the fence and you repeat, "the dogs are very yard protective. DO NOT reach over the fence". He starts to reach to pet one(These dogs do not act like they want to be petted) You repeat, "Do not reach over the fence, do not pet the dog" and he does it anyway. Needless to say he got pinked. See him on next years Dee-dee-dee awards.

skeeter

maybso, but so are the people that live in those walled -off communities, so what's your point?

skeeter

oh you mean like OP & mr. Olivestick

momod

I dont think your liable if they reach into your yard. In AZ you can actually shoot someone for stealing property. Its kind of an old law used to protect ranchers but I believe lethal force is still allowed.
I was walking my 6 week old female cattle dog and we were attacked by a large pit bull about a year ago. I was with my 7 yr old so obviously I was furious. My girl got inside our house and I picked up my puppy and turned my back to the pit who was trying to jump over my shoulder and get to the puppy. I punched the dog a few times to no avail and got my arm and hands cut up from the claws or maybe even the mouth but it never clamped down. I called the cops and they referred me to animal control who said they would issue a ticket. I never tried to sue cause its not my style and the family was actually from Mexico trying to get their citizenship.The poor mom of the house had cancer as well and I just didnt have the heart to sue them. It was a sad deal and they ended up euthanizing the dog on their own. We have a real problem with pits due to drug dealers and little men who feel tough having a tough dog. They are a real problem in my community but luckily I ride in an open ranch land environment and never run across dogs other then coyotes.

skeeter

well you for all you morons out there blabbing about beating on dogs( bigger than a poodle )
for the reason of chasing you realize that many go into shock & have been known to be smashed in the head with crowbars, baseball bats,etc unphased & just keep ripping away.
Would you like to become a Diane wipple statistic? (sure she was just a woman but nevertheless!)
Beating on four legged animals for chasing you hoping for an attack for the sueing factor is ridiculous , you would be better off riding your bike on the freeway then suing the perpatrator that smashed into you for damages.