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I don't like sloping top tubes

Old 12-30-06, 03:20 PM
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I don't like sloping top tubes

I have been riding and racing since 1974. I have seen fads come and go; double down tubes, crimped tubes, funny bikes , aero tubes and other weird ****, so what is the deal now with the sloping top tubes on road bikes? I don't get it, I don't like it When I ordered my new frame, which just arrive at the bike shop today, I insisted upon a traditional geometry.

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Old 12-30-06, 03:24 PM
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People think it's faster, so they are going to buy it.

The performance benefits are marginal at best.

My next bike is going to have a slightly sloping toptube, less than 5 degrees.
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For road bikes....no slope, thank you.

For mountain bikes....I'll take it, it gives me a little more groin clearance.
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Originally Posted by DM4
I have been riding and racing since 1974. I have seen fads come and go; double down tubes, crimped tubes, funny bikes , aero tubes and other weird ****, so what is the deal now with the sloping top tubes on road bikes? I don't get it, I don't like it When I ordered my new frame, which just arrive at the bike shop today, I insisted upon a traditional geometry.

Your thought?
what's a sloping tube top?
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
what's a sloping tube top?
The top tube is not horizontal, but slopes downward from the head tube to the seat tube.
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
what's a sloping tube top?


I would say it would involve either a tugging motion from an unidentified (as of yet) source, or from disturbances from within the tube top.
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Originally Posted by catatonic


I would say it would involve either a tugging motion from an unidentified (as of yet) source, or from disturbances from within the tube top.
Tugging?

Yes, please!
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I may be wrong, but aren't the smaller triangles of a compact frame (sloping TT) inherently stronger and stiffer?
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Old 12-30-06, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by catatonic


I would say it would involve either a tugging motion from an unidentified (as of yet) source, or from disturbances from within the tube top.
got any pics?
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Originally Posted by BananaTugger
Tugging?

Yes, please!


Tugging, I like tugging
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
got any pics?

Tugging Pics??!!
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Originally Posted by DM4
Tugging, I like tugging
Pshhh... I am tugging.
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
what's a sloping tube top?

It's when someone like me who has a geometry like that tries to wear one of those strapless top things.
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
It's when someone like me who has a geometry like that tries to wear one of those strapless top things.
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I have one bike with a sloping top tube...Redline 9.2.5 (road frame that is, my Mongoose MTB has....a top tube of some sort ) I think the main reason was for marketing and manufacturing economics, if you can reduce every frame you build by 3" of tubing and you build a gazillion bikes a year you will get about a million frames worth of material for free, and you won't have to make as many frame sizes either. I don't particularly like the aesthetics of it either and would not order a custom bike with one.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I have one bike with a sloping top tube...Redline 9.2.5 (road frame that is, my Mongoose MTB has....a top tube of some sort ) I think the main reason was for marketing and manufacturing economics, if you can reduce every frame you build by 3" of tubing and you build a gazillion bikes a year you will get about a million frames worth of material for free, and you won't have to make as many frame sizes either. I don't particularly like the aesthetics of it either and would not order a custom bike with one.

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I have one bike with a sloping top tube...Redline 9.2.5 (road frame that is, my Mongoose MTB has....a top tube of some sort ) I think the main reason was for marketing and manufacturing economics, if you can reduce every frame you build by 3" of tubing and you build a gazillion bikes a year you will get about a million frames worth of material for free, and you won't have to make as many frame sizes either. I don't particularly like the aesthetics of it either and would not order a custom bike with one.

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I think you're right in that the main reason is to save the manufacturer money. Also works for the distributor, too. With compact geometry, you can get away with 3 or 4 frame sizes instead of 5 to 7 for traditional sizes. Again, when dealing in bulk, that will greatly reduce overhead. Who knows to what extent that savings is passed onto the customer.

Again, to me at least, a nonissue.

Now, as far as current cycling fads are concerned, if you want to start a lynch mob regarding integrated headsets I'll join in with my own torch and noose...
 
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what happend to your name Aaron?
a) sausage fingers
b) too much Bailey's
c) not enough Bailey's

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
a) sausage fingers
b) too much Bailey's
c) not enough Bailey's

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Not enough Bailey's trike ?

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My compact framed bike wasn't nearly as stable and nice feeling as my non-compact. I dunno if it's really so much that or maybe fork rake, etc. I'm happy that my cross bike will be full size.
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I think that the manufacturers are merely responding to complaints by bicycle thieves. Aparently height deficit impaired thieves have been having difficulty riding larger frame bikes (60 cm and above) away after cutting the locks. Clearly this violates their rights by descrimanting against their handicap heightwise. As part of the settlement plan, the manufactures of bicycles are required to make frames that short thieves can ride no matter how large the bike size is. Just one of the many ways the legal system is making America a more fair place. I was joking when I started writing this, but now I'm not so sure anymore.
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I've had bicycles with sloping top tubes since 2000. They've been around for a while now!


Personally, I like them and when I ordered my custom Marinoni, I specifically mentioned that I wanted a sloping top tube. It's a whole lot easier to get on the bicycle, when you're very tired after riding all day and all night, etc., when the top tube isn't so high.
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