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Old 12-31-06, 11:26 AM
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rivendell clothing - WTF

have you seen the hat and the cardigan!? he make joke, yes?
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Old 12-31-06, 12:27 PM
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in my opinion, a lot of Rivendell is a total joke.

but you get cachet when you buy from Riv. Overpriced, overseas welded frames.....and 95 dollar itchy wool sweaters.

Grant may have done the world of bicycling a lot of good by keeping the dream of lugs, steel and barcon shifting alive, but 1,500 dollar non-custom steel bike frames?

For 2007, Soma has lugged steel frames made of Tange Prestige tubing at about a third of the price.

And 650B wheelsets? Someone with a lick of sense should kill that idea, it isn't going to 'sweep the bike world' and reinvent the wheel with an obsolete 584c rim size. mabye Riv can bring back 635c wheelsets too.......

Riv is akin to "J. Peterman" image driven marketing, but for bicyclists.

Grant's membership marketing and Riv's 'take the order now', 'the stuff is out of stock for a while,' 'prebook your itchy wool sweaters NOW' sham is a particularily odious business model I cannot support.

Must be great stuff, I still can't help but snicker when I see some rube on a Rivendell. 'specially the Bleriots.....

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But you still go check out their website. WTF?
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It's a million dollar idea.
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"The Bleriot is an all-around road and fire trail and touring bike (or sold as frame and fork alone), and uses 650B wheels. They’re bigger in diameter than mountain bike 26-inch wheels, but smaller than 700C wheels. That makes it an odd-duck wheel size, and that alone will scare off the timid."
-Rivendell website

AKA will scare off anyone who doesn't want a pain in the a** time when tire shopping or god forbid, rim replacement.

What a crappy bike
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Originally Posted by Bekologist
but you get cachet when you buy from Riv. Overpriced, overseas welded frames.....and 95 dollar itchy wool sweaters.
It's nice to know that it wasn't just me. For $95+ I could knit a beautiful, non-itchy wool sweater myself, geez. Those sweaters looked like they were made from crappy wool to my eye. I'm sure that the people who buy them think they're getting something really special. Feh!

carlton - you can still admire pretty pictures without being willing to spend a red cent someplace. Window shopping can be a lot of fun.
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Originally Posted by donnamb
It's nice to know that it wasn't just me. For $95+ I could knit a beautiful, non-itchy wool sweater myself, geez. Those sweaters looked like they were made from crappy wool to my eye. I'm sure that the people who buy them think they're getting something really special. Feh!

carlton - you can still admire pretty pictures without being willing to spend a red cent someplace. Window shopping can be a lot of fun.
They are pretty but you don't like them? WTF?
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The site as a whole is pretty.
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Well, I'm not about to buy an itchy sweater for $95, but I did buy Riv's Roughy Toughy tires, and they are FANTASTIC. I've commuted on them over gravel roads for I-don't-know-how-long and still no sign of a flat (I'll probably get one tomorrow). The thing I like about Rivendell is that, in a cookie-cutter world, those guys offer another option. Kinda like choosing a funky chef-owned restaurant instead of the Olive Garden.
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First off new wool clothing is not itchy, I have wool clothing now in jerseys and socks and never iched for plastic clothes! Not sure if Rivendells odd looking sweaters are designed this way, but thats ok since I have no plans on buying one anyway.

Second, granted some of Rivendells clothes are a bit fuddy duddy, but their design for long wear and comfort in mind not racing, just like their bikes.
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I can't believe Grant Peterson is in business to make a profit. What a butthole.
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Old 01-01-07, 12:16 AM
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Grant used to proudly mention on the Riv website about how itchy those sweaters were. Someone with a lick of sense probably told him 'itchy' doesn't sell clothes.

Yeah, he's in it to make a profit, that's for sure - He's selling SKS pedals for 25 percent more than the bike shop I work at sells them for or what double key retail from QBP would be. He's screwing his customers.

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Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson
I can't believe Grant Peterson is in business to make a profit. What a butthole.
Look, there's no reason to call him a butthole; there are plenty of people that buy into his way of thinking and are not sorry they did. In fact he turns over 1,000,000 dollars in sales a year from other "buttholes" who believe in his way of thinking. He's not a butthole just has a different slant on things and it's not all bad.
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Um, sarcasm...
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<---Denotes sarcasm.


Anyways, I think some of you are forgetting that at one time, this aesthetic was being carried on by like, two people on the 'net, Peter White Cycles and Rivendell among very few others. Yes, they try to sell an "image" as part of the package, just like every soda company puts snowboarders in their ads to emphasize the "extreme" nature of their fizzy sugar-water, the same as every cycling company has either Lance or his brethren riding their products-so what's the big to-do about Rivendell?

Their prices are not as low as QBP, so what? Everyone else who orders from QBP marks the price up as a middle-man, too, every LBS I have ever been in included. Rivendell is not Nashbar, and those of us who shop at both websites want it to stay that way.

J Peterman is a fair comparison, I suppose. We used to have a Peterman outlet here, and you'd go in, there'd be some nice jazz music playing, you could have a coffe or cappuchino, and if you really liked the somewhat hard to find items they carried, (I did,) it was an altogether pleasant experience shopping there. Sure, I could have gone into any GAP store and given them my money, because, by gosh, they don't pretend to be something they're not, but, I didn't, and I still have a few of those Peterman items, and people still ask me where I got such an impossible to find coat, sweater, etc.

I really cannot fathom where one guy's business model has always seemed to attract such virulent hatred, if you don't like it, go to the LBS and buy an "aerodynamic" $40 wedge seat pack some asian kid sewed for Specialized for six cents an hour, nobody is stopping you, but quit hating on an independent American businessman who's only alleged crime is attracting a niche market for himself in the fairly tough world of the bike biz.
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one of the reasons I dislike Riv is their sales technique of 'prebooking' stuff not even in the country yet. I think they dropped some of the emphasis on this in the website, but i recall looking at Riv in the past and seeing what looked like 30 percent of his items were 'out of stock' but you could still 'order to reserve' your product. That's charging the customer first to then pay the wholesaler. ODIOUS.

Regarding a lot of the bike stuff sold by RIV, they ARE available thru QBP and are NOT 'hard to find' - like Nitto handlebars or SKS pedals.

Nobody gets to order direct from QBP, you know that, right? they are a wholesaler, that supplies products that in turn get marked up by the retailer. that's a standard and accepted business practice.

SKS track pedals are available thru QBP, and will cost you 30 bucks retail at the (independant, family run) bike shop I work at, any day of the week. Rivendell offers them for 40.

Pay an extra 10 bucks for platform pedals to perpetuate an odious business model? no thanks, personally.

You can pay it, Kris, pick up a couple of the itchy 95 dollar sweaters too, help keep Grant in the 'cachet' business of selling image and overpriced stuff.

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Originally Posted by Bekologist

Nobody gets to order direct from QBP, you know that, right? they are a wholesaler, that supplies products that in turn get marked up by the retailer. that's a standard and accepted business practice.
I do know that, the reason I pointed it out was that you said they marked it up from QBP prices-well so does everybody, and no worse than any of my local LBSes. Maybe I just have crappy LBSes, I certainly would not argue that....

But really, the whole point is, nobody who's spending their money at Riv is doing so against their will, so if you dislike the flag they've run up the pole, don't salute it, baby.

I personally do not buy clothing from Rivendell, my local Army surplus store has Smartwool slightly irregular products for as cheap as I've ever seen. Some of their more unique items, I have bought, and would buy, if I had the bread (the Rivendell Atlantis.) Yeah, I think the 650b stuff is a goofy idea, but I think the stuff about practical, well-built road bikes that everyone-not just a spandex-clad priesthood-can enjoy is from the heart, and some of those idiosynchratic ideas have really had some large ripples (Moustache bars, etc.)

I currently ride a LHT, and I think you do too, if I remember correctly. Which bike do you think QBP was unashamedly copying when it came to the geometry, frame material and marketing of that bike? (Hint: It starts with an "A")
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And where did Grant copy the Atlantis from? A Rene Herse Constructeur, probably. You think he INVENTED the touring bike?

I don't think Peter White has any interest in going J. Peterman on us. He's THE Schmidt Dynohub distributor for the USA. You want Schmidt generator equipment and lighting systems, you (or your LBS) is going to go through Peter White. His website is hardly cachet boutique selling overpriced, overseas welded bike frames and itchy wool sweaters.

Happy New Year, Kris. i'm just stating Rivendell overcharges for the privledge of purchasing from a boutique retailer.

And Riv's 'shipment arriving soon, prebook now' strikes a raw note with me, being a member of the proletariat that has seen retailers jerk their customers around like that before. Its a classic 'rob peter to pay paul' scheme. So, I'd like to piss on Riv's flag as well as not salute it, if you don't mind.

Nitto handlebars and stems, SKS pedals, Panaracer tires, available thru your local bike shop for less than what Riv charges.

If people want to buy a Bleriot, that limits severly a riders' choice in rim and tire options, anyone is free to do so, absolutely.

Rivendell Bleriots, available thru QBP. Next up, the Atlantis goes mass market and machine produced to be available thru QBP, I think Riv's going to call it the "Bermuda Triangle"

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Looking at the current Bridgestone catalog, you can hardly find racing machines.
Most bikes are for comfortable city riding. And most photos portray riders in their casual outfit.
Grant is looking into the future with $50/gallon gas prices when bicycles will be as popular for commuting as in Japan or China now.

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there's a lot about rivendell i like, the anti cycling specific clothing stance included, but **** dressing up like Bily Childish just to go for a ride on my bike. what next for rivendell, cycling brogues and plus fours?
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Originally Posted by donnamb
It's nice to know that it wasn't just me. For $95+ I could knit a beautiful, non-itchy wool sweater myself, geez. Those sweaters looked like they were made from crappy wool to my eye. I'm sure that the people who buy them think they're getting something really special. Feh!

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Hey Donnamb...taking orders I need a XLTall

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I know couple of people that have bought bikes from Rivendell, one bought a Rivendell and the other an Atlantis, and both not only love their bikes but claim their the best riding bikes they ever had. I also have heard the same reports from forums such as this one as well as Adventure Cycling, Bicycling Magazine, Serrota, and Cycling Forums, and that's not including extremily favorable reviews I've read in cycling magazines...which I don't always believe rags since they seem to report all bikes as favorable; but in all the forums I've heard of only one so so comment.

I think the very fact that a huge majority that bought bikes from Rivendell overwhelmingly love their products more then their previous bikes says more then most of you, if not all of you, here who have not bought one yet. I can understand if someone doesn't like a Rivendell or a Vanilla or a Sachs or Rodriguez, or a Moon and a slew of other American custom steel builders because it doesn't agree with their Lance Armstrong wanabe mentallity; but to be critical of these people seems a tad unfair to attack, at least in my way of thinking, but you all know I don't think right!
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I can't speak for anyone else, but neither Bek nor Kris have ever struck me as "Lance Armstrong wannabe" types, and I'm sure as heck not. I might be critical of charging $95 for those sweaters + cachet, but the truth is, I own maybe 2 pieces of cycling specific clothing. I just dislike most forms of advertising, and the slicker it is, the more it gets my dander up. But hey, even I would rather see money go to Grant Petersen than a company like Wal-Mart.
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Sorry, Aaron, but unmarried female knitters have all taken sacred vows to never knit anything bigger than a hat for men who are not related to them by blood, marriage, or lifetime friendship since childhood. It is commonly believed that to do so will give the knitter 3+ years bad luck with relationships of the romantic variety. If your wife would like to visit Portland, however, my housemate is a gifted knitting teacher...
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Originally Posted by froze
I can understand if someone doesn't like a Rivendell or a Vanilla or a Sachs or Rodriguez, or a Moon and a slew of other American custom steel builders because it doesn't agree with their Lance Armstrong wanabe mentallity
That pretty much sums it up.

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