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Bicyclist hit by a car

Old 01-24-07, 06:39 PM
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Bicyclist hit by a car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGODloLX0Gk

Go to 1:40 to view the pedestrian vs vehicle.

Sorry if it's a repost.
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Old 01-24-07, 07:47 PM
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god, that is horrible to watch

I love how he asks if the occupants of the car are okay. Obviously the car was watching the cops and not the road...idiot.
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Old 01-24-07, 09:06 PM
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I love this quote by a user on youtube about that video
ExodusNJ (19 hours ago)
You're right, but I live in Jersey, where I see people riding their bike on a 55mph highway. You're just an ******* for doing that. There are PLENTY of roads in my area that are not heavily traveled. You also have a lot of responsibility on a bike. And if you come into contact with a car, even the slightest amount, chances are you're are going to get hurt big time. Thus why I'm against riding your bike on main roads.
That's your average cagers mentality. "Since I am not responsible enough to drive safely then everyone should be forced to stay out of my way".
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Old 01-24-07, 11:47 PM
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I'm not saying it's right, but I'm just saying for sake of safety, it is important to consider the roads. There are a lot of bad drivers out there and to be direct, it is not possible to correct them all. This is why I try to avoid busy roads with 55 mph speed limits with no shoulder as much as possible because most people drive 65-70 on them anyway. I do this for my own safety, because it is too easy to become distracted in a car. Besides that, when I got my license, I was not taught how to handle coming upon a cyclist and I don't know anyone who has been taught that. Almost all will pass a cyclist going full speed even when going up a hill not knowing if a car is coming up the other side. The ideal situation, everyone drives perfectly and ever cyclist rides properly and no one gets hurt. Reality is though, many bad drivers and many who don't know how to handle the situation. This is my reasoning for avoiding these types of roads whenever possible.
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Old 01-25-07, 09:44 AM
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Every road where I live has a 50 mph speed limit. I guess I should just ride in circles in my driveway.
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Old 01-25-07, 10:38 AM
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Crud. I would never get anywhere around here. 45mph roads with drivers driving almost 60.
Time to clean off my driveway.

Not to mention the state highways and state roads with high speed limits that are cycled on extensively.
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Old 01-25-07, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CrosseyedCrickt
I love this quote by a user on youtube about that video


That's your average cagers mentality. "Since I am not responsible enough to drive safely then everyone should be forced to stay out of my way".
+1. Seriously, if a cop pulls over someone, it means the traffic pattern has changed from the norm. Period. So what is a motorist supposed to do? That's right, proceed with caution. Why? Because someone with any sense is going to adjust his travel accordingly. It doesn't have to be a cage. It could mean a bicycle. Pedestrian. Farm vehicle. Whatever. The bicyclist was going around the cop stop. The motorist needs to be aware this.

Ignorance and being blase is no excuse for being a moron. If you won't adjust your driving in changing traffic conditions, it's your fault. What's hard to understand about that?

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Old 01-25-07, 01:05 PM
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That is tough to watch. It sounded like he had some facial injurys by the snoring sound. Hope he is ok.
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Old 01-25-07, 01:09 PM
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I'm thinking there's probably 2 things going on here:
1) driver inattention, driver and passangers focused on the trafic stop
2) cyclist not giving due attention to the traffic situation and what effect that may have on surrounding traffic. i.e. police car on side of the road and someone in handcuffs means people are rubber necking, hence be aware of this fact and be extra cautious as motorists are not paying attention.

We don't know exactly what placed the cyclist in the path of the driver, but it SEEMS according to the cyclists' position on the road when he was hit, that he was moving left to avoid the stopped vehicles. Maybe he looked before he moved, maybe he didn't, that I don't know. Regardless, the oncoming driver, paying more attention to the traffic stop, does not notice the cyclist moving left in the lane and hits him. If the cyclist looked before he moved left to make eye contact with the driver, he would have stopped in time to avoid this. But I'm making assumptions.......

This might be a good film to show in my Can Bike courses - the point being, learn to anticipate what may (or may not) happen based on surrounding conditions. Yes, this approaches some form of predicting the future, but with experience (and common sense) same with driving a motor vehicle, you learn to anticipate.

They say there is no such thing as an accident and that they are avoidable given proper habits.

I want to make it clear I do not think it was the cyclists fault, but as with anything in life, several factors combine together to create an outcome.
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Old 01-25-07, 01:25 PM
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Misteps can & do occur. "Cages" & bikes are so mismatched in so many ways that the risk is great for the cyclist.

Riding on state hiways etc. is illegal here & seems to be one of the few traffic laws that are well enforced.

The "cagers" are not going to learn, in fact traffic has only been getting worse over the years. The rightward trend of politics may be one reason, along with factors like job pressures aggravated by rising prices caused by aggressive war, & other social changes such as drastic health & education cutbacks that Americans mostly do not feel able to speak out against directly but instead deflect onto those perceived as weak, such as cyclists.

We have enough back roads & side streets around here so i seldom need to venture onto the nearby 4 lane, which is dangerous at rush hour & at night.. I enjoy cycling again now that i'm not shark bait.
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It was the Motorists fault. As a bicyclist you need to realize that American drivers tend to be distracted as they drive. These guys were probably gawking at the cop and didn't look ahead. Drivers comb their hair, put on makeup, read the paper when they drive. Did you see the I phone? Now you have a phone, internet, and I pod all in one. Think that may cause trouble?

I love the concept of commuting and bicyclist rights. You just need to evaluate the road you are riding on and decide the risk vs the rewards.
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I'm really liking the unnecessary sarcasm. For one, I didn't say that I don't bike on roads with high speed limits, I said I try to avoid ones with heavy traffic. This can also mean just avoid them during peak hours. No you don't have to just cycle in your driveway, that would be silly you silly goose. HEHE. Apparently when someone has an opinion, it isnt respected on these boards. Left because of it a year ago and just started coming back to these boards again, but it never fails. No one wants to accept the fact that people drive terribly and all I was saying is that it is not possible to stop everyone from doing so. And like mariner said, risk vs. rewards. Nothing wrong with cycling on roads where heavy traffic is and unsafe driving, just not where I prefer to ride because I don't enjoy it because of the never knowing if they see me or are paying attention. Insecure riding to me isn't fun, which is why I have my own riding habits (early morning, backroads, bike paths, etc). That is all I'm saying people. Absolutely no need to take offense.
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Old 01-25-07, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rockindude24
I'm really liking the unnecessary sarcasm. For one, I didn't say that I don't bike on roads with high speed limits, I said I try to avoid ones with heavy traffic. This can also mean just avoid them during peak hours. No you don't have to just cycle in your driveway, that would be silly you silly goose. HEHE. Apparently when someone has an opinion, it isnt respected on these boards. Left because of it a year ago and just started coming back to these boards again, but it never fails. No one wants to accept the fact that people drive terribly and all I was saying is that it is not possible to stop everyone from doing so. And like mariner said, risk vs. rewards. Nothing wrong with cycling on roads where heavy traffic is and unsafe driving, just not where I prefer to ride because I don't enjoy it because of the never knowing if they see me or are paying attention. Insecure riding to me isn't fun, which is why I have my own riding habits (early morning, backroads, bike paths, etc). That is all I'm saying people. Absolutely no need to take offense.

Your train of thought makes sense....to me.

I also ride early mornings on the weekends to avoid traffic and I am usually up and back by the time the teenagers are out on the roads. I also avoid high speed and heavy traffic roads and select another route if I can. Like you said, it is not enjoyable and the more traffic and the more intersections you have the more dangerous it is.

I see no problem with that.

As to your absence on this forums do to others arrogance:
It is a shame that people cannot disagree without name calling. It is ok to have differant opinions but those who dive down into the muck right off the bat, without considering opinions, or offering a helpful differant perspective, are not worth the trouble to get upset about.
Don't let 'em drag you down.
Now, I have to work on taking my own advice.
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You're right digger, thanks man! Take care.
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Old 01-25-07, 09:54 PM
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Sarcasm is always a necessity. j/k
Anyhow, for many of us entirely avoiding these situations is downright impossible. That being said I do plan my routes for lower traffic when possible.
At the risk of aggravating you more, I think you may be overreacting a bit. Not that overreacting matters at all. You should look at some of mine.
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Old 01-26-07, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Sarcasm is always a necessity. j/k
Anyhow, for many of us entirely avoiding these situations is downright impossible. That being said I do plan my routes for lower traffic when possible.
At the risk of aggravating you more, I think you may be overreacting a bit. Not that overreacting matters at all. You should look at some of mine.
And sarcasm is a poor substitute for wit.

My wife got put a T-shirt in my Christmas stocking which states; "SARCASM: One of the services I offer"
Apparantly it was getting quite noticable.

Sarcasm can be fun and make a point, as long as it is kept more... facetious than hurtful. But it usually is the launch pad to an argument that gets nowhere.

Was "Rockindude" overreacting? I think so, but based on past experiences I have had on this forum, it does seem as this thread was on the cuspt of the name calling stage.

Rockingdude merely said that he trys to avoid high speed traffic roads, he doesn't like it. Others stated that if they did that they might as well give up cycling altogether. I don't think any harm was intended but rather their point was, the roads are what they are and you cannot let that stop you from doing what you enjoy.

Sometimes ya just gotta ignore the sarcasm and read between the lines and try not to be so sensitive, even though you may have good reason.

Like I said, but now in another way - jerks are everywhere, don't let them bring you to their level, they are just looking for a fight. Not giving in means YOU are in control of the situation and only gets them frustrated.

Only took me 10 years and 2 permanently destroyed working relationships to learn this, not so bad I guess.
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Old 01-26-07, 06:34 AM
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Well done sarcasm can be witty. However, that is very rare on a forum.... or anywhere for that matter. The Daily Show does a fair job at using witty sarcasm and a few political humorists as well. Of course, that is in the eye of the beholder. So........ *shrugs*
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Yep, it's a repost. Last time this was posted people were trying to figure where the car and the bike came from. There is a camera shot facing the back up the road and you can't see either of them. Traffic looked very light, so how did it happen? Turned out there is an edit cut in the sequence at the around the 1:47 mark. Before that the guy isn't in hand cuffs, after 1:48 he is. Pretty good editing because it almost looks continuous at first glance. Unfortunately we can't see how the accident was set up, so we can't use it as a lesson to avoid that senario.
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