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Old 01-25-07, 10:31 AM
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NJ Cracks Down on Talking on a Cell Phone While Cycling

EDIT: I see it was posted 15 minutes earlier in the road forum: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=263670


http://wcbs880.com/pages/187136.php?...ntentId=292569

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey may have unresolved problems with taxes, child welfare and gangs, but lawmakers are ready to crack down on one perceived danger: talking on a cell phone while riding a bike.

A legislative committee has approved a bill that would make it illegal for people to use a hand-held telephone while riding a bicycle on a public road. Hands-free devices would be allowed and lawbreakers would face fines ranging from $100 to $250.

Assemblyman Jon Bramnick, a bill sponsor, said the measure is meant to protect bicyclists and the people they may strike when riding and yakking at the same time.

``That is, in our judgment, a danger to pedestrians as well as to the bicyclists themselves, due to the fact that now they have one hand on the handlebars, they're talking to someone and they're on a public highway,'' said Bramnick, a Union County Republican.

The bill, among 6,928 introduced this session by New Jersey lawmakers, was given the nod Thursday by an Assembly public safety panel and now can be considered by the full Assembly. The Senate has taken no action on the idea.

Pete Garnich, owner of Knapp's Cyclery in Lawrence, said it's a waste of time.

His store takes people out on weekly group rides and Garnich said he can't recall anyone talking on a cell phone while riding a bike.

``I wouldn't say it's a problem,'' he said. ``You can't breathe and talk. It's absolutely ridiculous.''

In 2005, 784 people were killed, including 17 in New Jersey, and 45,000 were injured in bicycle crashes in the United States, accounting for 2 percent of traffic fatalities, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. An agency spokesman said no statistics are kept for crashes involving cell phones and bikes.

(While 25 percent of the nation's bicycle fatalities in 2005 involved alcohol, the state attorney general's office says it's not illegal to bike while drunk in New Jersey.)

Bramnick admitted he also has no data on injuries caused by distracted riders. He called the cell phone biking bill ``a common sense proposal'' based on observations he and others have made ``in the more densely populated communities.''

Not all legislators are eager to support the measure.

``As my father used to tell me, 'You can't legislate common sense,' and that's exactly what this bill tries to do, as the Legislature has already tried to do on so many other occasions,'' said Assemblyman Richard Merkt, R-Morris. ``Is anyone dumb enough to use a cell phone in a dangerous manner while riding a bicycle really going to be smart enough to know about or pay attention to some legislator's new law? Seems unlikely to me.''

It was unclear Friday when legislators might take more action on the bill, or when they would take up other proposals offered by lawmakers. Those include declaring September ``Handwashing Awareness Month,'' a plan languishing in an Assembly health committee.
I only used the phone twice while riding. I was trying to get home on time and called my wife to meet me, otherwise we were going to miss an event one evening. I also called the police once to report someone who intetionally buzzed me. I'm not dumb enough to take chit chat calls, and don't think a $200 fine is in order. If you're dumb enough to ride while holding a phone to your ear, so be it.

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Old 01-25-07, 03:47 PM
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What's NJ's law on cell phone use while driving?
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In california, you must ride with at least one hand on the handlebars.

21205. No person operating a bicycle shall carry any package, bundle or article which prevents the operator from keeping at least one hand upon the handlebars.

So, you can talk to your package, but not talk on a cell phone...



I agree...a totally useless ordinance, created by lawmakers that feel they have to do SOMEThING to justify their jobs.
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Old 01-25-07, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by skiahh
What's NJ's law on cell phone use while driving?
It's against the law, but you must be pulled over for another offense first before you can cited for the cell phone violation. The NJ mandatory seat belt use law initially started out the same way and was eventually changed to a primary offense. I believe there is pending legislation to change the cell phone use to a primary offense as well.
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Old 01-26-07, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by eubi
In california, you must ride with at least one hand on the handlebars.

21205. No person operating a bicycle shall carry any package, bundle or article which prevents the operator from keeping at least one hand upon the handlebars.
Huh, didn't know that one. I ride all the time on the pavement "no handed" & never been stopped for it.
When cold on motorcycle, i do the "no hander" thing while on the freeway keeping hands on motor.
I have been seen doing that & never been stopped for that one either.
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Old 01-29-07, 03:23 PM
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Read the statute again. It does not say you can't ride no-handed.

It says you can't carry a "package, bundle or article" that requires both hands.
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Q: How can you tell if something is illegal in New Jersey?

A: If you are having fun, you are breaking some law.
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Old 01-31-07, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cruentus
Q: How can you tell if something is illegal in New Jersey?

A: If you are having fun, you are breaking some law.

Do you have fun pumping your own gas?

Do you have fun driving with your windshield wipers on while your headlights are off?
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Originally Posted by DMF
Read the statute again. It does not say you can't ride no-handed.

It says you can't carry a "package, bundle or article" that requires both hands.
Is this aimed at me there Poindexter? If it is, i would suggest YOU re-read.
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Originally Posted by DMF
Read the statute again. It does not say you can't ride no-handed.

It says you can't carry a "package, bundle or article" that requires both hands.
Which should probably be interpreted as meaning that it's all right to ride with no hands on the handle bar, but that you can't ride holding something so that you're restricted from grabbing the bar with at least one hand if a situation develops.

Right?
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Originally Posted by CdCf
Which should probably be interpreted as meaning that it's all right to ride with no hands on the handle bar, but that you can't ride holding something so that you're restricted from grabbing the bar with at least one hand if a situation develops.

Right?
extracted from above post- which prevents the operator from *keeping* at least one hand upon the handlebars.
What other way of ANALyzing that is there?
*note the word "*KEEPING*"
Edit: now that i think of it i should include post number where location of extraction came from, which is POST #3 &#5:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Big_knob
Is this aimed at me there Poindexter? If it is, i would suggest YOU re-read.
If the shoe fits, knob-head...

The statute quoted says nothing - absolutely nothing - about riding without a package in your arm(s).

Furthermore, it does not say that someone that is carrying a package must keep at least one hand on the bar. It says he must be *able* to keep one hand on the bar.
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Originally Posted by skiahh
What's NJ's law on cell phone use while driving?

No cell phones while driving. This has been in effect for a while.
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Originally Posted by cruentus
Q: How can you tell if something is illegal in New Jersey?

A: If you are having fun, you are breaking some law.
Haha, it aint that bad!

I read in some states it's illegal to transport alcohol across county lines!
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Originally Posted by Jerseysbest
Haha, it aint that bad!

I read in some states it's illegal to transport alcohol across county lines!

That would be PA. You also can't buy it on Sundays. You can only consume alcohol in PA that was purchased in PA. You can only buy beer at beer distributors but only by the case. You can only buy six packs at bars. You can only get wine and hard liquor at state stores and only at limited hours. There is no beer at state stores. Confused yet? Blame the quakers.
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Originally Posted by DMF
If the shoe fits, knob-head...
A shoe fits on a "knob-head"? Pucker up there Poindexter



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Furthermore, it does not say that someone that is carrying a package must keep at least one hand on the bar. It says he must be*able* to keep one hand on the bar.
I see no word of ABLE in there, Poindexter.

"Poindexter gone bad"...lmao

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More nanny state madness.
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Originally Posted by slowandsteady
Do you have fun pumping your own gas?
Actually yes. I also like to wash my own car, and do oil change on it. I guess I am a freak or something.
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Originally Posted by UmneyDurak
Actually yes. I also like to wash my own car, and do oil change on it. I guess I am a freak or something.

I like doing oil changes and washing and waxing my car on a nice day. But pumping my gas in my work clothes when it is 9*F in 25 mph winds is no picnic. I would much rather have some poor slob who has to stand outside in those conditions all day making $6 an hour do it for me.
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