Cycling Answer to Trade Deficit?
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Cycling Answer to Trade Deficit?
https://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070510/economy.html?.v=12
Grim news again for the US Economy regarding the Trade Deficit. Even though our imports to China grew at a record pace, our trade deficit still went up.
"The trade deficit shot up in March to the highest level in six months, driven by a big jump in imported oil. The politically sensitive deficit with China shrank as U.S. exports to that country hit an all-time high...It reflected a big 17.6 percent jump in oil imports, which climbed to $24.6 billion, the highest level in six months."
Any type of decrease in American Oil Consumption will help with this deficit. It's hard to believe, with the cost of gasoline, that we continue to consume so much oil. Cycling could play a role, but I believe Mass Transit and smaller, more fuel efficient cars are the key. A smaller fleet of cars would help cycling also, leaving more room for cyclists on the road.
Grim news again for the US Economy regarding the Trade Deficit. Even though our imports to China grew at a record pace, our trade deficit still went up.
"The trade deficit shot up in March to the highest level in six months, driven by a big jump in imported oil. The politically sensitive deficit with China shrank as U.S. exports to that country hit an all-time high...It reflected a big 17.6 percent jump in oil imports, which climbed to $24.6 billion, the highest level in six months."
Any type of decrease in American Oil Consumption will help with this deficit. It's hard to believe, with the cost of gasoline, that we continue to consume so much oil. Cycling could play a role, but I believe Mass Transit and smaller, more fuel efficient cars are the key. A smaller fleet of cars would help cycling also, leaving more room for cyclists on the road.
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Originally Posted by idcruiserman
Their products are worth more to us than our money. I don't see the problem.
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The roads that you ride on are maintained by the taxes raised from motor vehicle usage.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
The roads that you ride on are maintained by the taxes raised from motor vehicle usage.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
I really don't think that the US will ever not have a trade deficit again. The global labor market will make sure of that. Our economy has changed and will keep changing to adapt.
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Originally Posted by oilfreeandhappy
It's hard to believe, with the cost of gasoline, that we continue to consume so much oil.
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If gas ever goes that high it's going to effect you all. How do you think all your stores get all your junk (even bike parts)? Trucks, planes, ships all running on gas! High gas prices means you're going to be paying more for everything since their freight costs all shot up.
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Originally Posted by crydee
If gas ever goes that high it's going to effect you all. How do you think all your stores get all your junk (even bike parts)? Trucks, planes, ships all running on gas! High gas prices means you're going to be paying more for everything since their freight costs all shot up.
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
The roads that you ride on are maintained by the taxes raised from motor vehicle usage.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
High Density housing and Mass Transit go together. As a matter of fact, high density housing without mass transit is a recipe for disaster. Just ask the city of Houston. They tried it for many years. Take the Mass Transit out of cities like New York, London, Tokyo, etc, and you would have gridlock from one end of the city to the other.
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Originally Posted by Thor29
Actually it's pretty easy to believe. When you're willing to pay $500 a month for 72 months to buy a giant SUV, what's another buck or two per gallon of gas? There have been discussions about how high gas prices will have to go before the majority of people will change their habits. I think the last estimate I saw was that gas will have to hit $7 a gallon.
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Originally Posted by oilfreeandhappy
I heard a radio host say that it took $75 worth of gas to fill his Yukon. If this is done once a week, that's $300 more a month. If gas prices go up another dollar, that $500/month car payment will also have a $500/month gas bill.
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Originally Posted by cs1
If he was willing to pay that, why does it bother you? And who are you to tell me where to live and how to get to work? If you want to conserve gas, then do it. Don't preach to me or anyone else about it.
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Originally Posted by oilfreeandhappy
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here, and it's relevance to the topic. Please expound. Thank you.
In other words, if USA consumers are willing to trade their dollars for Chinese goods, it is a fair deal. Nobody is forcing them to do it. The USA trade deficit with China is a result of free-market conditions.
Of course, what we are experiencing isn't really free-market conditions with the USA dollar being over-valued and the Chinese RMB currency being officially undervalued by the Chinese government. Still, with these artificial factors being thrown into the mix, the flow of currency and goods is done by the free-choices of the producer (China) and the consumer (USA).
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Shouldn't this be in P&R?
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
The roads that you ride on are maintained by the taxes raised from motor vehicle usage.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
I personally think that high density housing is the answer, not driving smaller cars or mass transit, and does not exist because of zoning laws. People should live within 10 miles of where they work. No commute, no gas used.
At that price, we will see USA lifestyle changes similar to what we see in the rest of the world. In other words, commuting in personal automobiles for long distances will not be practical for many Americans.
We will see centralization of cities and the slow-down of urban sprawl because many citizens simply won't want to invest so much of their income in transportation.
This is not new science, of course. At the beginning of the industrial revolution, people moved from rural areas to cities and there was a great demand for centralized convenient housing. People had to live within walking or streetcar distances from work. There was no option for personal automotive daily travel.
If you think it's crazy, look at many/most USA cities today. Check out Washington DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, and other cities. From the 1950's through the 1990's, there was an exodus away from the cities and long commutes became the norm. City centers became depressed slums with low-rent housing. Today, these cities are being reclaimed with tremendous construction of new buildings and the re-construction of old buildings. Inner-city real estate values are doubling within three years. People have been hit with the high cost of fuel and the realization that they would rather spend their time at home rather than in the car commuting.
The future is now. We are seeing it take place before our very eyes.
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Originally Posted by cs1
If he was willing to pay that, why does it bother you? And who are you to tell me where to live and how to get to work? If you want to conserve gas, then do it. Don't preach to me or anyone else about it.
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I'm not suggesting that people drive the micro type cars like they have in Europe but I think it is absurd for someone that lives in LA to be driving a full sized Hummer.
I'd like to see a FlexXCar type program for pickups and SUVs. A pickup can sure come in handy once in a while. It would be nice to be able to rent one at a reasonable cost and with little hassle.
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Originally Posted by mike
What idcruiserman means by, "Their products are worth more to us than our money. I don't see the problem." is that in capitalistic free-trade, the buyer and seller determine the value of the exchange willingly.
In other words, if USA consumers are willing to trade their dollars for Chinese goods, it is a fair deal. Nobody is forcing them to do it. The USA trade deficit with China is a result of free-market conditions.
Of course, what we are experiencing isn't really free-market conditions with the USA dollar being over-valued and the Chinese RMB currency being officially undervalued by the Chinese government. Still, with these artificial factors being thrown into the mix, the flow of currency and goods is done by the free-choices of the producer (China) and the consumer (USA).
In other words, if USA consumers are willing to trade their dollars for Chinese goods, it is a fair deal. Nobody is forcing them to do it. The USA trade deficit with China is a result of free-market conditions.
Of course, what we are experiencing isn't really free-market conditions with the USA dollar being over-valued and the Chinese RMB currency being officially undervalued by the Chinese government. Still, with these artificial factors being thrown into the mix, the flow of currency and goods is done by the free-choices of the producer (China) and the consumer (USA).
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Originally Posted by mike
What idcruiserman means by, "Their products are worth more to us than our money. I don't see the problem." is that in capitalistic free-trade, the buyer and seller determine the value of the exchange willingly.
In other words, if USA consumers are willing to trade their dollars for Chinese goods, it is a fair deal. Nobody is forcing them to do it. The USA trade deficit with China is a result of free-market conditions.
Of course, what we are experiencing isn't really free-market conditions with the USA dollar being over-valued and the Chinese RMB currency being officially undervalued by the Chinese government. Still, with these artificial factors being thrown into the mix, the flow of currency and goods is done by the free-choices of the producer (China) and the consumer (USA).
In other words, if USA consumers are willing to trade their dollars for Chinese goods, it is a fair deal. Nobody is forcing them to do it. The USA trade deficit with China is a result of free-market conditions.
Of course, what we are experiencing isn't really free-market conditions with the USA dollar being over-valued and the Chinese RMB currency being officially undervalued by the Chinese government. Still, with these artificial factors being thrown into the mix, the flow of currency and goods is done by the free-choices of the producer (China) and the consumer (USA).
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Originally Posted by spinnaker
The big problem with buying Chinese goods is that it goes to fuel the Chinese military. Unless the atmosphere in China changes, We are going top be very sorry someday we bought those cheap products. Until then our spending serves as an insurance policy for peace with the Chinese. They would never kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
The "in" that US companies and American and Canadian consumers have provided China is just starting to have adverse effects on the industry.Profiteers realize short-term gains,ultimately the bike buss. suffers.
As do we !
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oilfreeandhappy,
How could you possibly be oil free? Do you grow your own crops and till the earth by hand? What are you riding that has zero oil? Did you walk to the factory that built your zero plastic bike? You are posting with a computer that uses no plastics?
You may have reduced you oil consumption by giving up your car. I really admire you for that but you can hardly be oil free. In today's world that would be nearly impossible.
How could you possibly be oil free? Do you grow your own crops and till the earth by hand? What are you riding that has zero oil? Did you walk to the factory that built your zero plastic bike? You are posting with a computer that uses no plastics?
You may have reduced you oil consumption by giving up your car. I really admire you for that but you can hardly be oil free. In today's world that would be nearly impossible.
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Originally Posted by spinnaker
oilfreeandhappy,
How could you possibly be oil free? Do you grow your own crops and till the earth by hand? What are you riding that has zero oil? Did you walk to the factory that built your zero plastic bike? You are posting with a computer that uses no plastics?
You may have reduced you oil consumption by giving up your car. I really admire you for that but you can hardly be oil free. In today's world that would be nearly impossible.
How could you possibly be oil free? Do you grow your own crops and till the earth by hand? What are you riding that has zero oil? Did you walk to the factory that built your zero plastic bike? You are posting with a computer that uses no plastics?
You may have reduced you oil consumption by giving up your car. I really admire you for that but you can hardly be oil free. In today's world that would be nearly impossible.
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Speaking of the trade deficit with China.... I believe most of the lower end bikes are made in China, even in the same factory. Trek, Giant, Schwinn, Bianchi ....
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Originally Posted by JPMacG
Speaking of the trade deficit with China.... I believe most of the lower end bikes are made in China, even in the same factory. Trek, Giant, Schwinn, Bianchi ....