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Old 09-07-07, 11:22 PM
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What's the difference? Brooks B-17 question...

Is there a difference in leather quality/thickness between the B-17 Champion and Champion Special? I know the Champion special has copper, hand hammered rivets, champhered skirts and copper rails but is the leather exactly the same as the standard B-17 Champion?
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There is only about 15gn difference in weight so I would think the larger rivets on the Special are the only variation. The leather blank is the same or the weight would be very much more. I have measured my three B17's and they all come out within .020" of each other. Now, this is using a micrometer at several places around the edges and taking an average. I didn't compress the fibers by turning the mic knob - I just used the clutch on the end.

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Thanks -- I had read in a previous post or two about the B-17 standard Champion having thinner leather than the Champion Special, insinuating it wasn't made as well.

By the way, jcm, thanks for your insight on these forums regarding Brooks -- it's been helpful to me, and many others as well, I'm sure.
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What are you going to be using the saddle for? I mean will you be touring on it or fast day rides? Those saddle you mentioned are more for touring; for faster riding their too wide for faster leg movement that a racing saddle provides such as the Brooks Swift which is a narrow racing leather saddle; also the B17 is more for an upright riding position whereas the Swift is more for a down low racing position. I have the B17 on my touring bike; I have the Swift on my racing bike (yeah I race in the over 65 catagory).
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What are you going to be using the saddle for? I mean will you be touring on it or fast day rides? Those saddle you mentioned are more for touring; for faster riding their too wide for faster leg movement that a racing saddle provides such as the Brooks Swift which is a narrow racing leather saddle; also the B17 is more for an upright riding position whereas the Swift is more for a down low racing position. I have the B17 on my touring bike; I have the Swift on my racing bike (yeah I race in the over 65 catagory).
I'll be using it for recreational group rides (30-40 miles) and commuting. I have about 3,000 miles on a B-17 Champion Special, so I'm familiar with the B-17. I just ordered the standard B-17 Champion for my older road bike and wondered if I should have spent the extra $25 for the Special.
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I like the looks of the Champion Special better, but otherwise there is really no noticeable difference in how they feel. I put B17s on my 'beaters'...bikes that are out in all kinds of weather and on all kinds of terrain, Champion Special on my touring bike and a Ti-railed Champion Special on my road bike.
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I like the looks of the Champion Special better, but otherwise there is really no noticeable difference in how they feel. I put B17s on my 'beaters'...bikes that are out in all kinds of weather and on all kinds of terrain, Champion Special on my touring bike and a Ti-railed Champion Special on my road bike.
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Thanks Chipcom -- by the way, you were better looking in your Playboy cover avatar.
I have to agree. The platinum worked well with the natural skin tones. The shiny black wig looks so...so... I don't know - plastic?
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