The End Of The Oil Age
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The End Of The Oil Age
They don't mention bicycles, unfortunately.......
https://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...ory_id=2155717
https://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...ory_id=2155717
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Oil need wont end in our lifetime.Too much money at stake for the richest and money talks.
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1970s oil company advertising slogan: "A nation that runs on oil cannot afford to run short."
Delete the last word to convert this into a true statement.
Delete the last word to convert this into a true statement.
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Originally Posted by Paige
They don't mention bicycles, unfortunately.......
On the original topic, I think Shokead is probably right about this one. I notice one particular quote in the article:
It all sounds very fine. What then is the best way to speed things up? Unfortunately, not through the approach currently advocated by President George Bush and America's Congress, which this week has been haggling over a new energy bill. America's leaders are still concerning themselves almost exclusively with increasing the supply of oil, rather than with curbing the demand for it while increasing the supply of alternatives.
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Political BS,the downfall of all of us.Vote'em,pay'em,get whats best for them and their party while we bend over,and over,and over.Its getting so bad that you vote something in,they find a way to stop it.It sucks but sometimes i think i would be better to go to another county,come back as an immigrant and go from there.Very dissapointed in the political game.Isnt it whats best for us,not the party?
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" So why is Sheikh Yamani predicting the end of the Oil Age? Because he believes that something fundamental has shifted since that first oil shock—and, sadly for countries like Saudi Arabia, he is quite right."
I don't see why it is sad for a country like Saudi Arabia for Sheikh Yamani to be right. Is the writer trying to say Sheikh Yamani is bad for countries like Saudi Arabia?
Jacob
I don't see why it is sad for a country like Saudi Arabia for Sheikh Yamani to be right. Is the writer trying to say Sheikh Yamani is bad for countries like Saudi Arabia?
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Every lane is a bike lane
Originally Posted by jacob
I don't see why it is sad for a country like Saudi Arabia for Sheikh Yamani to be right. Is the writer trying to say Sheikh Yamani is bad for countries like Saudi Arabia?
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All this concern about oil and when it's going to run out is silly. Those of us on the forum who are "car free" could care less about the situation since there is nothing we can do about it. We all know our governments are doing nothing to change the current situation so why should you worry?
The other day, the radio stated that gasoline in New York City was going to cost 20 percent more next year as a clean additive will be added to the fuel raising it's price. As I said before, those of us who are care free could care less. The motorist are the ones who are going to be directly affected by these spikes in oil changes. Sure we're going to feel indirectly in terms of food and utility price increase but life's too short to spend your days worrying about such matters.
Just ride your bikes folks.
The other day, the radio stated that gasoline in New York City was going to cost 20 percent more next year as a clean additive will be added to the fuel raising it's price. As I said before, those of us who are care free could care less. The motorist are the ones who are going to be directly affected by these spikes in oil changes. Sure we're going to feel indirectly in terms of food and utility price increase but life's too short to spend your days worrying about such matters.
Just ride your bikes folks.
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Well, it's an interesting point of view. I've not heard the suggestion that higher gas taxes be used to reduce other taxes before. Usually when a higher gas tax is proposed on this board, the proceeds from such taxes are imagined as going to bike lanes, mass transit, etc.
The problem with such use-based taxes is that they are inherently regressive in nature, taxing the poorest citizens disproportantely. A lower income individual, filling up his/her Geo metro, will pay a higher percentage of their income in gas taxes than a higher income individual filling up their eight mile a gallon Tahoe or Hummer or Valdez or whatever. Ideally, a gas tax of this nature would go towards eliminating other regressive taxes, such as the sales tax on food many states charge. This would instill some balance in the tax system; with the current administration, burdened as they are by a faith-based belief in trickle-down economics, any benefit would likely go to the richest Americans.
Chris L. is correct; the economies of countries like Saudi Arabia are monoconomies, entirely dependent upon one sector (in this case, oil). Monoconomies lend themselves to state control, and often result in repressive/authoritarian regimes-- such as the one currently in place in Saudi Arabia. All the more reason for the developed world to wean themselves from their oil addiction. Saudi Arabia is, in fact, over ripe for a regime change of it's own-- and it may very well become a fundamentalist state, given the prevelance of Wahabism in S.A. education. Wait 'till you hear the howl at the pumps if that happens.
The problem with such use-based taxes is that they are inherently regressive in nature, taxing the poorest citizens disproportantely. A lower income individual, filling up his/her Geo metro, will pay a higher percentage of their income in gas taxes than a higher income individual filling up their eight mile a gallon Tahoe or Hummer or Valdez or whatever. Ideally, a gas tax of this nature would go towards eliminating other regressive taxes, such as the sales tax on food many states charge. This would instill some balance in the tax system; with the current administration, burdened as they are by a faith-based belief in trickle-down economics, any benefit would likely go to the richest Americans.
Chris L. is correct; the economies of countries like Saudi Arabia are monoconomies, entirely dependent upon one sector (in this case, oil). Monoconomies lend themselves to state control, and often result in repressive/authoritarian regimes-- such as the one currently in place in Saudi Arabia. All the more reason for the developed world to wean themselves from their oil addiction. Saudi Arabia is, in fact, over ripe for a regime change of it's own-- and it may very well become a fundamentalist state, given the prevelance of Wahabism in S.A. education. Wait 'till you hear the howl at the pumps if that happens.
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
All this concern about oil and when it's going to run out is silly. Those of us on the forum who are "car free" could care less about the situation since there is nothing we can do about it. We all know our governments are doing nothing to change the current situation so why should you worry?
The other day, the radio stated that gasoline in New York City was going to cost 20 percent more next year as a clean additive will be added to the fuel raising it's price. As I said before, those of us who are care free could care less. The motorist are the ones who are going to be directly affected by these spikes in oil changes. Sure we're going to feel indirectly in terms of food and utility price increase but life's too short to spend your days worrying about such matters.
Just ride your bikes folks.
The other day, the radio stated that gasoline in New York City was going to cost 20 percent more next year as a clean additive will be added to the fuel raising it's price. As I said before, those of us who are care free could care less. The motorist are the ones who are going to be directly affected by these spikes in oil changes. Sure we're going to feel indirectly in terms of food and utility price increase but life's too short to spend your days worrying about such matters.
Just ride your bikes folks.
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In today's world, the energy value of oil is only one of it's many uses.
Even if EVERYBODY abandoned petrolium based fuel transportation and switched to, say bicycling and sailing, the need for crude would continue.
Look around you and ask how many items in your life are made of petrolium. The computer you are using right now is almost entirely made of petrolium based synthethic material, so is the elastic in your underwear, and the plastic in your contact lenses.
There are no natural subsitutes for the petrolium base synthetics used so widely today.
The need and want for petrolium is here until the last drop is sucked from the planet.
Even if EVERYBODY abandoned petrolium based fuel transportation and switched to, say bicycling and sailing, the need for crude would continue.
Look around you and ask how many items in your life are made of petrolium. The computer you are using right now is almost entirely made of petrolium based synthethic material, so is the elastic in your underwear, and the plastic in your contact lenses.
There are no natural subsitutes for the petrolium base synthetics used so widely today.
The need and want for petrolium is here until the last drop is sucked from the planet.
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The need and want for petrolium is here until the last drop is sucked from the planet.
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Originally Posted by mike
...There are no natural subsitutes for the petrolium base synthetics used so widely today.....
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Originally Posted by Jupe
Isn't it possible to make some kinds of plastics from oil derived from hemp? I think I read that somewhere.
Today, it is comparitively more expensive to make plastics from vegetable oil than it is from petrolium oil and petrolium based fuels are used for the conversion.
I question the wisdom of using new vegetables to produce plastics and fuel over using old vegetables (crude oil). Time and pressure have already converted ancient forests to a readily useable form. Why take a new vegetable and try to recreate what nature has already supplied in huge quantities?
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Originally Posted by mike
It is possible to make some kinds of plastics from vegetable oils. Presently, the types of plastics are limited and typically are not as durable as those made from petrolium.
Today, it is comparitively more expensive to make plastics from vegetable oil than it is from petrolium oil and petrolium based fuels are used for the conversion.
I question the wisdom of using new vegetables to produce plastics and fuel over using old vegetables (crude oil). Time and pressure have already converted ancient forests to a readily useable form. Why take a new vegetable and try to recreate what nature has already supplied in huge quantities?
Today, it is comparitively more expensive to make plastics from vegetable oil than it is from petrolium oil and petrolium based fuels are used for the conversion.
I question the wisdom of using new vegetables to produce plastics and fuel over using old vegetables (crude oil). Time and pressure have already converted ancient forests to a readily useable form. Why take a new vegetable and try to recreate what nature has already supplied in huge quantities?