Cycling is Dangerous???
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Cycling is Dangerous???
I was doing some web surfing and came across this article.
Road Cycling is Dangerous, Unhealthy and not Environmentally Friendly
The author's name is Arek Zawada and I suppose everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I think several of the statements that he claims are facts are a little off.
Worth reading if you have a few minutes.
Dave
Road Cycling is Dangerous, Unhealthy and not Environmentally Friendly
The author's name is Arek Zawada and I suppose everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I think several of the statements that he claims are facts are a little off.
Worth reading if you have a few minutes.
Dave
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I am not sure it is worth reading To say some of his facts are a bit off is being very gracious. There are a few germs of truth, but not worth sorting put from all the other stuff. The guy is from the UK and most of what is says has no meaning in North Dakota, for example.
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I had to click because I knew someone was bound to say it sooner or later. He's making some pretty big stretches. Sounds like he took the best numbers from one side (and accounted for everything) and the worst numbers from the other (and only counted the bad stuff), then made up a few numbers to show that riding a bike a whopping 1/3 as damaging as driving a Geo Metro.
That should sum up the highlights of the article
That should sum up the highlights of the article
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Originally Posted by cwodave
I was doing some web surfing and came across this article.
Road Cycling is Dangerous, Unhealthy and not Environmentally Friendly
The author's name is Arek Zawada and I suppose everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I think several of the statements that he claims are facts are a little off.
Worth reading if you have a few minutes.
Dave
Road Cycling is Dangerous, Unhealthy and not Environmentally Friendly
The author's name is Arek Zawada and I suppose everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I think several of the statements that he claims are facts are a little off.
Worth reading if you have a few minutes.
Dave
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I read the article and the guy is not accurate. I found the following glaring errors and there are many others in the article.
Glaring Error #1
He says riding is 14 times more dangerous then driving. Actually cycling is twice as safe as driving per hour in the USA. That includes all cyclists. If you look at experienced cyclists, they are probably 10-20 times as safe as motorists. I doubt the figures in Great Britain are that much different then the USA.
Glaring Error #2
He claims the average car produces only 3 times the emissions of a cyclist. Well my compact car gets about 3 miles per lb of gas. Gas is a fat. I get about 70 miles per lb of fat. So as a cyclist, I am about 23 times as efficient on my bike. Also my fuel is renewable and a car's is not.
Glaring Error #3
He claims the average car is cheaper to run then a bike. Nonsense. Even using pretty top of the line stuff, you can operate a bike for about 5 cents per mile. Auto insurance alone costs more then that. Autos cost well in excess of 30 cents per mile. Now, if you want to get involved in skin flint cycling, I think you can easily get your cost to about 2 cents per mile.
Glaring Error #1
He says riding is 14 times more dangerous then driving. Actually cycling is twice as safe as driving per hour in the USA. That includes all cyclists. If you look at experienced cyclists, they are probably 10-20 times as safe as motorists. I doubt the figures in Great Britain are that much different then the USA.
Glaring Error #2
He claims the average car produces only 3 times the emissions of a cyclist. Well my compact car gets about 3 miles per lb of gas. Gas is a fat. I get about 70 miles per lb of fat. So as a cyclist, I am about 23 times as efficient on my bike. Also my fuel is renewable and a car's is not.
Glaring Error #3
He claims the average car is cheaper to run then a bike. Nonsense. Even using pretty top of the line stuff, you can operate a bike for about 5 cents per mile. Auto insurance alone costs more then that. Autos cost well in excess of 30 cents per mile. Now, if you want to get involved in skin flint cycling, I think you can easily get your cost to about 2 cents per mile.
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If it takes 130 kg of emissions to produce a bike it must take ~(3000/25=120)x130=15,600 kg of emissions to make a car. Or, using his 1/3 that still equals 5,200 kg of emissions. It might actually be pounds rather than kg. But his article is so full of BS it is not worth going back to look.
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What a good laugh! If the guy actually believes this, he's probably sharing a flat with Elvis and has it lined with tin foil to keep the government and/or aliens from reading his thoughts.
Oh, by the way, if you vote in his poll, you go to a porn site, so unless you'd like to surf the dark side for a bit, don't bother expressing your opinion to him that way.
Oh, by the way, if you vote in his poll, you go to a porn site, so unless you'd like to surf the dark side for a bit, don't bother expressing your opinion to him that way.
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This artical is a joke. It must be British humor. I don't understand why anyone takes it seriously. I think the only thing in it that might be true is that bike lanes are useless and don't improve the safety of bikers.
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Yes its dangerous. Dont bike. Just sit on your ass and drive your way to the American dream: to be overweight.
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Originally Posted by atbman
Sadly, he means it. Not British humour I'm afraid
I'm thinking it's more a case of a person who deals with hardcore advocates a lot, and was scraping for some sort of response. I just can't buy any other reason to write that stuff. Spending a couple hours at his computer with a calculator and a World Book encyclopedia was probably a good workout for him.
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