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When do you think a bike rider is "elderly"

Old 12-26-01, 07:31 AM
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When do you think a bike rider is "elderly"

There has been some discussion about "elderly" recumbent riders. As a near "Senior Citizen" at age 62, with a wife two years older who also rides, I am rather curious as to when you folks consider someone to be "elderly." That way, I will know when to change my signature form "Bicycling is like flying as a bird" to "Posted by an elderly rider".

And, you can't cop out by saying "never" or "when you think you are." We ALL think of someone else as elderly. What is their age??

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A bike rider is elderly when he/she stops biking.

On my rides I see people that if they were off the bike I'd think they'd crumble into a pile.

I ride with guys in their upper sixties that'd give all of us a run for our money.
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Denver, I think you are putting too much stress on Chronological Age. Mental attitude and willingness to keep trying and experimenting and accepting new challenging things is the true test of being "elderly."
That is, of course, if your "physical" body will allow it. I've been going through a year of minor breakdowns which have handicapped me a little, and it's starting to make me think I may be getting old. But until this, I would and could and did try to do everything as though I were twenty five.
In fact, my youngest son, who's 28, and I are planning to bike across Canada from Nova Scotia to Vancouver as soon as my body gets repaired. With luck, it will be next summer; if not, it will be the next one.
The point is, it has nothing to do with Chronological Age, it has everything to do with mental attitude.
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Originally posted by ljbike
The point is, it has nothing to do with Chronological Age, it has everything to do with mental attitude.
WRONG!!

You and I may think that, but I refer you to the original poster who stated, to the effect, the "elderly recumbent bike riders" seem to go fast, or something like that.

So, how did the guy know they were elderly? He did not ask their attitude, he simply observed them, and from his observation, determined that they were "elderly." You are missing my point. There IS some age when OTHERS start considering you elderly. I was at the restaurant yesterday, and there were a number of folks there who I would definitely consider elderly. What was it that this guy observed about those recumbent riders that placed in his mind the modifier "elderly"? Was it gray hair? Was it wrinkled faces? Was it an assumption of age? THAT is what I am trying to figure out.
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Actually, it's not age that makes "elderly recumbent riders" elderly; it's the recumbents.
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Well, as a 60 year old, I think that may be the age.

But I remember the first time I was at the summit of Mt. Ventoux (by car, of course). While there, a group of about a dozen bicycle riders, who I guessed were between 60 and 80, had just arrived at the top! And not too much the worse for wear either. So maybe it is a different number.

That experience is just one of many factors that led to my goal of cycling up Mt. Ventoux. I figure I will be about 63 when I do it the first time.

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Originally posted by DnvrFox
Was it gray hair? Was it wrinkled faces?
Well, I'm 39, have 80% gray hair, and wrinkles from a life of way too much sun.

Now you have me completely freaked out!

For the love of God will someone answer the question!
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When I was kid, I was really into cross country skiing. I mean REALLY into it -- pinetarred Jarvinen skis, three-point Rotefella bindings, the works -- and I remember that I had a Jackrabbit Johannsen wax set when I was about 10 or 12.

Jackrabbit was a Norwegian skiier who introduced cross country skiing to Canada. He was born in 1875 and moved to Canada after the second world war. He was a tireless promoter of the sport and an amazing athlete who skied almost right up to his death of 1985 [yes, he was 110]. I remember seeing him when he was a younger man of 100, though. He wasn't going to win any gold medals at that age, but he had such amazing grace and moved across the snow at such speed that I simply couldn't believe that he was as old as that. I thought he was some kind of mythic Norse creature. This thread makes me think of Jackrabbit. Was he elderly?

And then there's Giuseppe Marinoni, the president of Marinoni Bicycles. In the 1960s, he was one of the top racers in Quebec and, you know what? He's still racing and winning races at about 66. I don't think he could beat me in a sprint, but Marinoni always had the reputation of a rouleur and a climber and I understand he's still go the chops.

Elderly is a meaninless word in sport. If you want to be elderly, fine -- go right ahead, be elderly. If you don't want to be elderly, then don't worry about what other people say. Jackrabbit didn't, though I really don't remember anyone mentioning that he was elderly.
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Old 12-26-01, 09:43 AM
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Denver, I don't want to get into a debate about semantics, but Viciouscycle used two terms, "senior citizens" & "elderly." There are several ways to measure the former, AARP says 50 is the eligible age to be a senior citizen. My local restaurants give discounts after 60 --which I think may be the most recognzied age, and, of course, Social Security says 65.
However, in answer to your specific question of when do I think somebody else is old, I'd have to give a multiple answer: when I was 10, 15 was old; when I was 20, 35 was old; when I was 30, 60 was old; when I was 40, 70 was old; when I was 50, 80 was old; when I was 60, I started to judge by the person's attitude and zest for life and their physical wellness. Those who have both are ageless, and those who have neither are just old; no matter what their age.
Since your question was inspired by Viciouscyle, I'm going to let him give the definitive answer when next he posts.
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DARN!!

No one will answer my poll!! I am the ONLY responder.

Are you all afraid to take a stand? Perhaps those of us who are elderly are the only ones with the guts to stake a position somewhere. :confused:

Folks, just a little tongue-in-cheek here.

I do think that the perception of "elderly" does change as you get more mature. But, I still want to know how "viciouscycle" knew these recumbent riders were elderly, or even "senior citizens"??
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However, in answer to your specific question of when do I think somebody else is old
No, the question was when do you think someone is "elderly" not "old". Do you equate the two? I see them as different. I read "frail" and "tottering," at least a bit, into the term "elderly." I don't read them into "old."

How about you?
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I think 55 is the beginning. This is the age that we can purchase off the Senior Citizen menu at restaurants.

But it doesn't really matter what I think except when I'm considering my own age. Everyone at every age level has a different view of what age is elderly. I'm sure most of our BMXers will consider most of us ancient by their standards.


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Elderly starts at about ten years older than my present age at a given moment. At this moment, I'm 61.9l7 years old.
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Originally posted by JonR
Elderly starts at about ten years older than my present age at a given moment. At this moment, I'm 61.9l7 years old.
YES!! Finally a sensible answer (but I would go for 15 years older).

I notice the responses to the poll range from 56-60 to 81+. I would bet that most of the responders are 10-15 years younger than their responses.
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Originally posted by DnvrFox
I notice the responses to the poll range from 56-60 to 81+. I would bet that most of the responders are 10-15 years younger than their responses.
Actually, I'm 45 years younger than my response. Of course, my father specialized in gerontology before he retired, so I might have picked up a different focus by osmosis.
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Denver, I equate elderly and old as synonomous terms.

I'm glad to see this thread is getting a lot of response, even if you're not getting the answers you wanted. I'm interested to see what further opinions are forthcoming.
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In about 75 years time, I intend to celebrate my 100th birthday by riding up Springbrook or whatever mountain is near where I live at the time. Does anyone really give a stuff about age anyway? I mean really? Who cares whether someone thinks you are old or not?
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Well, I fit into the category of someone who selected about 15 years older than my current age (54). In this context, I think of "elderly" as meaning a little slower up the hills, a little more brittle when crashing, and a little longer to heal. I certainly don't think of "elderly" necessarily having the negative connotation of "over the hill." I ride with my "elders" all the time, and I am hoping to be just like them as I go through the next 40 years of cycling.
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FWIW, I would use the term "elderly" to describe a persons appearance.. they would be frail, in need of perhaps a walking stick, white hair etc etc, but........I would'nt use this decription on someone who had white hair, healthy stature, rosie complexion but the same age as the first mentioned.. there is a great story in the december issue of "Bicycling" on age .
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When they're 20 years older than me, and that's probably not too many.

Ride past elderly
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Denver, it really breaks my heart to see so many "elderly" folk who can't get from the car to the front door without panting, some of whom are under 45.

Joke:

A lady retires early, being of more than sufficient means. She goes to Colorado, looking for the ideal retirement situation, hoping to find some added meaning in her later years, having spent many of her days overworked in the rat race. She especially needed to rejuvinate her waning health.

Winding through mountain passes, she stops in at a humble shop.
A man of undefineable years comes energetically to serve her. It is hard to know exactly how old he is: he is advanced in years but has the spirit of youth and the energy to match.

"How may I help you, ma'am?" he asks with a gleam in his eye.

"Excuse me, you seem to be native to this area...if it's not too much trouble, I'm looking for a good place to retire. My health, is, well...not the best. And I must say, you look quite the youthful gentleman, given your maturity. It seems the mountains have kept you young, eh?" she said hopefully.

"Yes," replied the man, "Colorado has done wonders for me. Look at me! Why, when I came here, I was so weak, I had to be carried! For some time, I even had to be fed. But look at me now!"

"I am amazed!" the lady exclaimed. "How long have you lived here?"

"Since I was born."

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Originally posted by ljbike
Denver, I equate elderly and old as synonomous terms.

I'm glad to see this thread is getting a lot of response, even if you're not getting the answers you wanted. I'm interested to see what further opinions are forthcoming.
I am always amazed at how things get interpreted on the internet. There were no answers that I "wanted." I was just curious to find out what people were thinking.

Help me out her, ljbike. Just what answers did you think I wanted?
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Then again maybe someone elderly thinks I'm one of those "young, whipper-snapper,MTB ridin' punk fools" and they'd be correct .
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Denver, I think you had a preconceived idea and wanted it corroborated.
I'm still waiting for Viciouscycle to respond. I also think there has been some very good answers so far, and hope there will be more.
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"Old" is when you recive discounts at Krispy Kreme

"Elderly" is when you can take your teeth out to eat at KK
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