I brake big time on descents. Club seems impatient.
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I very much disagree. Most of the risk of serious injury on a bicycle is not due to going fast on downhills. It is automobiles that pose the real risk to most cyclists. The serious injuries or deaths that I have read about were not related to swift descending, but rather encounters with cars. I think that in traffic where serious injury is probably most likely, faster is safer due to less difference in the speed of the bike and of the cars around them.
I think your helmet comments are dubious at best. Also for what it's worth, I'd be more inclined to bomb down a mountain at 50 mph without a helmet than to ride in rush hour traffic without one.
I think your helmet comments are dubious at best. Also for what it's worth, I'd be more inclined to bomb down a mountain at 50 mph without a helmet than to ride in rush hour traffic without one.
And yes, cars are a problem, for the same reason. That is a lot of kinetic energy.
The faster you go, the more it is going to hurt, and the more severe the damages, statistically. Your experience may vary, of course. Heck, people survive not having a parachute opening too, but I wouldn't count on it if I was you.
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I used to not think so much about speed before my accident.. But, then I think of yesterday's downhill. Those tight turns were often covered with layers of sand, pebbles and small rocks. The road is narrow and you have to ride near the shoulder .. Speeding over sandy terrain,- maybe I just need a little coaching to learn to cope with such conditions.
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A factor in my descents, My road bikes have skinny tires. Skinny tires and debris. I was riding on skinny tires, when I screwed up my shoulder.
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If you want to overcome your fear, you can, but that does not mean just jumping in and doing what you're afraid of. If you're afraid of going fast on your bike, chances are you're not yet able to mentally cope with everything you need to be thinking about at that speed -- intersections, road signs, changes in what's under your wheels, etc. Work up to it under controlled conditions until you're comfortable with being able to think that fast again.
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bigger tires, cyclezealot, bigger tires. but it sounds like it's the club expectations that are hindering you as much as the speeds - maybe some solo rides to dial in your own comfort zone again without the guilt trip of the group dynamics added in?
try some 700x28s (hint, hint, Rubino Protechs) i think you'd be pleasantly surprised.
try some 700x28s (hint, hint, Rubino Protechs) i think you'd be pleasantly surprised.
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If you don't like bombing the decents, find a group of fixed gear cyclists to ride with, they can't bomb the major decents so you'll be in good company.
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bigger tires, cyclezealot, bigger tires. but it sounds like it's the club expectations that are hindering you as much as the speeds - maybe some solo rides to dial in your own comfort zone again without the guilt trip of the group dynamics added in?
try some 700x28s (hint, hint, Rubino Protechs) i think you'd be pleasantly surprised.
try some 700x28s (hint, hint, Rubino Protechs) i think you'd be pleasantly surprised.
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Getting your club to wait for you at the bottom of hills seems like an impressive feat of persuasion! I'll do a lot of club rides where we wait for people at the top of hills, and I prefer the cooperative nature of those to ones where we're dropping (and/or infuriating) riders left & right.
That being said, I'd rather wait for a slower rider at the bottom of a hill than be stuck behind one while descending a hill. So if you are going to descend cautiously on club rides, I would strongly encourage you to stay to the right so that other riders can pass easily.
I don't know whether any of us can advise you to overcome your fears -- or whether we can even suggest that your fears are unfounded. But I think regardless of what speed you want to descend, it would behoove you to learn to descend faster than 15mph...just in case you find yourself caught in the grip of gravity.
That being said, I'd rather wait for a slower rider at the bottom of a hill than be stuck behind one while descending a hill. So if you are going to descend cautiously on club rides, I would strongly encourage you to stay to the right so that other riders can pass easily.
I don't know whether any of us can advise you to overcome your fears -- or whether we can even suggest that your fears are unfounded. But I think regardless of what speed you want to descend, it would behoove you to learn to descend faster than 15mph...just in case you find yourself caught in the grip of gravity.
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Ride the Pacific Coast Route from San Francisco to Santa Barbara. You will get over your fear pretty quickly.
I can tolerate 30 MPH fairly well, I start getting uncomfortable around 35 MPH. I start to freak out above 40 MPH. I hit 61 MPH coming down a 7% grade outside of Santa Barbara. I'm just glad I did not know it till I checked the computer.
Rebuild your confidence on your own. Don't worry about what they are thinking. If people are trying to push you then find a group of new friends for your rides. They should be encouraging you but not goading you.
I can tolerate 30 MPH fairly well, I start getting uncomfortable around 35 MPH. I start to freak out above 40 MPH. I hit 61 MPH coming down a 7% grade outside of Santa Barbara. I'm just glad I did not know it till I checked the computer.
Rebuild your confidence on your own. Don't worry about what they are thinking. If people are trying to push you then find a group of new friends for your rides. They should be encouraging you but not goading you.
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Getting your club to wait for you at the bottom of hills seems like an impressive feat of persuasion! I'll do a lot of club rides where we wait for people at the top of hills, and I prefer the cooperative nature of those to ones where we're dropping (and/or infuriating) riders left & right.
That being said, I'd rather wait for a slower rider at the bottom of a hill than be stuck behind one while descending a hill. So if you are going to descend cautiously on club rides, I would strongly encourage you to stay to the right so that other riders can pass easily.
I don't know whether any of us can advise you to overcome your fears -- or whether we can even suggest that your fears are unfounded. But I think regardless of what speed you want to descend, it would behoove you to learn to descend faster than 15mph...just in case you find yourself caught in the grip of gravity.
That being said, I'd rather wait for a slower rider at the bottom of a hill than be stuck behind one while descending a hill. So if you are going to descend cautiously on club rides, I would strongly encourage you to stay to the right so that other riders can pass easily.
I don't know whether any of us can advise you to overcome your fears -- or whether we can even suggest that your fears are unfounded. But I think regardless of what speed you want to descend, it would behoove you to learn to descend faster than 15mph...just in case you find yourself caught in the grip of gravity.
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I've been doing the Davis Double for decades and my looooong Motobecane with Brooks saddle is my favorite with 25 x 700C in front and 28 x 700C in the rear. In my brazen youth I would sit up (no hands on bars) on the descend to maximize the cooling breeze. Many people find a smaller tire in front and a larger tire in the rear does make for a lot of high speed stability, makes the bike feel solid while twisting through the curves.
Can you ride the same descend time after time? I would think that would steadily help you regain your confidence. I would think repeating and repeating the same descend where you fell, at a comfortable speed would find your comfortable speed steadily increasing.
Good Luck to you and stay in the saddle.
Can you ride the same descend time after time? I would think that would steadily help you regain your confidence. I would think repeating and repeating the same descend where you fell, at a comfortable speed would find your comfortable speed steadily increasing.
Good Luck to you and stay in the saddle.
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Getting your club to wait for you at the bottom of hills seems like an impressive feat of persuasion! I'll do a lot of club rides where we wait for people at the top of hills, and I prefer the cooperative nature of those to ones where we're dropping (and/or infuriating) riders left & right.
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Going a lot slower downhill than on the level is just not right. This is not a mini phobia as it actually is negatively affecting your cycling.