Ex-smokers: has quitting smoking helped with biking?
03-24-09, 04:19 AM
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It's just incredibly funny that the old guard sits around waiting to pounce and scream out that there is NO EVIDENCE that smoking HARMS or KILLS.....
Then this guy defends smoking by STATING that smoking HARMS and KILLS and very much guarantees a shorter life expectancy.
Which is (of course) entirely true.
Over 50% of smokers do not get to pension age due to smoking related deaths.
The tobacco companies have had definitive proof of how lethal tobacco is.....for how long ? 60 - 70 years ?
Then this guy defends smoking by STATING that smoking HARMS and KILLS and very much guarantees a shorter life expectancy.
Which is (of course) entirely true.
Over 50% of smokers do not get to pension age due to smoking related deaths.
The tobacco companies have had definitive proof of how lethal tobacco is.....for how long ? 60 - 70 years ?
03-24-09, 05:17 AM
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Isn't it time for your tea...or perhaps a nice prozac now?
Still waiting on you to post that evidence that smoking WILL, beyond a doubt, cause bad things to happen to EVERYONE who tries it. Until you can do that, you have been thoroughly discredited on this subject, no matter how much smoke (pun intended) you exhale upon our air.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
03-24-09, 05:20 AM
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It's just incredibly funny that the old guard sits around waiting to pounce and scream out that there is NO EVIDENCE that smoking HARMS or KILLS.....
Then this guy defends smoking by STATING that smoking HARMS and KILLS and very much guarantees a shorter life expectancy.
Which is (of course) entirely true.
Over 50% of smokers do not get to pension age due to smoking related deaths.
The tobacco companies have had definitive proof of how lethal tobacco is.....for how long ? 60 - 70 years ?
Then this guy defends smoking by STATING that smoking HARMS and KILLS and very much guarantees a shorter life expectancy.
Which is (of course) entirely true.
Over 50% of smokers do not get to pension age due to smoking related deaths.
The tobacco companies have had definitive proof of how lethal tobacco is.....for how long ? 60 - 70 years ?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
03-24-09, 08:06 AM
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Still waiting on you to post that evidence that smoking WILL, beyond a doubt, cause bad things to happen to EVERYONE who tries it. Until you can do that, you have been thoroughly discredited on this subject, no matter how much smoke (pun intended) you exhale upon our air.
For anyone to be discreditted would require you providing proof to back your claim.
There's a wealth of evidence out there and I don't think any of it lies in your favour.
03-24-09, 09:04 AM
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I've not made the silly claim, white boy, you have...and the fact that you have, for the upteenth time, failed to respond with some factual support for your silliness is why you are discredited. If there is so much evidence out there that smoking is GUARANTEED to hurt me, I'm sure it should be easy enough for your to provide a cite. But you don't, because you are full of fish-n-chips. Nice try though...sorry, we don't have any consolation prizes for you. How about a nice pipe to smoke?
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
03-24-09, 09:11 AM
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When my oldest child decided to take up this nasty habit I wanted to express my opinion to him without being overbearing or alienating him. I prepared this little document and left it on his bed. My only comment later was "never in my house, on my property, or in the car that I let you drive." He is away at college now and I can tell he still smokes some, but he knows where I stand. He is an adult in the eyes of the law and can buy tobacco legally.
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I Smoke Because
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I Smoke Because
03-24-09, 09:16 AM
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When my oldest child decided to take up this nasty habit I wanted to express my opinion to him without being overbearing or alienating him. I prepared this little document and left it on his bed. My only comment later was "never in my house, on my property, or in the car that I let you drive." He is away at college now and I can tell he still smokes some, but he knows where I stand. He is an adult in the eyes of the law and can buy tobacco legally.
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I Smoke Because
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I Smoke Because
Life ain't fair, shucky darn.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
03-24-09, 09:30 AM
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about since there will always be a segment of society that gets various forms of cancer or other
illnesses.
Car wrecks or other gruesome accidents don't have graphic photos used in the manner that the
tobacco nannys used these photos so it's all about who's ax your grinding that matters.
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Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
03-24-09, 09:41 AM
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Oh well. Just expressing my opinion. Not pushing it off on anyone else. I lean a bit Libertarian and believe each must decide for himself.
03-24-09, 10:01 AM
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I've not made the silly claim, white boy, you have...and the fact that you have, for the upteenth time, failed to respond with some factual support for your silliness is why you are discredited. If there is so much evidence out there that smoking is GUARANTEED to hurt me, I'm sure it should be easy enough for your to provide a cite. But you don't, because you are full of fish-n-chips. Nice try though...sorry, we don't have any consolation prizes for you. How about a nice pipe to smoke?
I'm respectfully asking you again - do not call me 'white boy' or 'chicken little' or any other stupid insulting name you dream up.
If you consider this to be a discussion, the proceed in an adult manner.
I don't have to "provide a cite" for anything.
If you choose ignore evidence of cause and effect that is your choice.
It's entirely pointless, your point of view precludes any intelligent discussion.
For example - prove to me that the sun will rise tomorrow.
It isn't possible to prove anything to someone who has deliberately chosen to believe something through personal choice, regardless of any available information.
you have, for the upteenth time, failed to respond with some factual support for your silliness is why you are discredited.
I have not been discredited, I have declined to defend myself from your personal insulting attacks.
You however have discredited yourself as you have been unable to 'make your case' without resorting to personal insults and ridicule.
I am not insulting you, you are making yourself look ridiculous.
Respectfully, I am asking you again to stop attacking me.
Respectfully, I am asking you again to stop insulting me.
Thank you.
03-24-09, 10:23 AM
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Respect is earned. Making silly claims then masking your inability to back them, up when asked repeatedly to do so, with crocodile tears of hurt feelings doesn't earn my respect, only my pity.
Despite the fact that it is YOU who have repeatedly insulted the intelligence of those reading this thread, it is still within your power to gain some respect. But I'm not holding my breath, because we both know your claims were downright silly.
How about we recap some of your ever so mannerly behavior in this thread (especially towards NightShade) before I ever put my foot down and started giving you a taste of your own medicine, shall we?
There's more, shall I continue?
You're dismissed, Mr. Manners. HTH HAND
Despite the fact that it is YOU who have repeatedly insulted the intelligence of those reading this thread, it is still within your power to gain some respect. But I'm not holding my breath, because we both know your claims were downright silly.
How about we recap some of your ever so mannerly behavior in this thread (especially towards NightShade) before I ever put my foot down and started giving you a taste of your own medicine, shall we?
No, it's very easy to describe, it's known as satisfying an addiction.
Yeah....that's right, of course that's why.
Note: the dipping tobacco guy never inhaled tobacco and thought he was fit after 30 years of it.
You are a fool and you are fooling yourself. Please don't spread your toxic doctrine to others.
You believe what you choose to believe because it suits you and enables you to carry on doing what you enjoy (a pipe will give you peace that is impossible to discribe to the non-smoker) regardless of facts.
Oh yes, to be fair, I remember my father saying something very similar not long before tobacco killed him.
What was it ?
He had just visited his doctor and was 'As fit as a fiddle'.
Does that seem familiar to you Nightshade ?
Does it ?
Yeah....that's right, of course that's why.
Note: the dipping tobacco guy never inhaled tobacco and thought he was fit after 30 years of it.
You are a fool and you are fooling yourself. Please don't spread your toxic doctrine to others.
You believe what you choose to believe because it suits you and enables you to carry on doing what you enjoy (a pipe will give you peace that is impossible to discribe to the non-smoker) regardless of facts.
Oh yes, to be fair, I remember my father saying something very similar not long before tobacco killed him.
What was it ?
He had just visited his doctor and was 'As fit as a fiddle'.
Does that seem familiar to you Nightshade ?
Does it ?
I have to apologise, when I mistakenly called you a fool I had no idea I was being so complimentary.
All the evidence is out there, the only person believing false data here is YOU and. very clearly it is through choice.
You may, in reality, actually be stupid enough to believe that tripe, but FFS shut up before someone impressionable hears you.
Jeez....
All the evidence is out there, the only person believing false data here is YOU and. very clearly it is through choice.
You may, in reality, actually be stupid enough to believe that tripe, but FFS shut up before someone impressionable hears you.
Jeez....
You're dismissed, Mr. Manners. HTH HAND
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
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03-24-09, 11:24 AM
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Respect is earned. Making silly claims then masking your inability to back them, up when asked repeatedly to do so, with crocodile tears of hurt feelings doesn't earn my respect, only my pity.
Despite the fact that it is YOU who have repeatedly insulted the intelligence of those reading this thread, it is still within your power to gain some respect. But I'm not holding my breath, because we both know your claims were downright silly.
Despite the fact that it is YOU who have repeatedly insulted the intelligence of those reading this thread, it is still within your power to gain some respect. But I'm not holding my breath, because we both know your claims were downright silly.
Your claims are far more silly than mine, the difference is I can see it's not worth pursuing an argument that neither can win.
Respect is a two way street, how much have you earned ?
I respectfully request that you either keep a civil tongue and just allow me to use the forum without constant harrassment and personal insults.
Thank you.
03-24-09, 11:41 AM
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I rest my case.
Your claims are far more silly than mine, the difference is I can see it's not worth pursuing an argument that neither can win.
Respect is a two way street, how much have you earned ?
I respectfully request that you either keep a civil tongue and just allow me to use the forum without constant harrassment and personal insults.
Thank you.
Your claims are far more silly than mine, the difference is I can see it's not worth pursuing an argument that neither can win.
Respect is a two way street, how much have you earned ?
I respectfully request that you either keep a civil tongue and just allow me to use the forum without constant harrassment and personal insults.
Thank you.
Your move, Mr. Kettle.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
03-24-09, 11:57 AM
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You are free to (and will) ignore any evidence whatsoever that tobacco is harmful.
The absurdity of refering to 'tobacco is harmful' as a wacky claim simply can't be countered.
As I said before - prove the sun will rise tomorrow.
You choose a personal belief over fact and reality - and that is your choice.
I'm not arguing it or trying to convince you otherwise
Do you really think anyone on the forum wants to read this endless garbage ?
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This has become unproductive. Am locking the thread.
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