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Where does BMX fit into road biking?

Old 03-31-09, 12:35 AM
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Where does BMX fit into road biking?

Does it fit when they have such control over their bicycles?

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Where does road biking fit into unicycle riding?
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Some ex-BMXers have gone on to be successful road racers. Robbie McEwen (a top sprinter at the Tour de France) is known for doing wheelies over the finish lines of mountain stages.
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BMX are just children's toys that happen to resemble bicycles.
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Originally Posted by Unknown Cyclist
BMX are just children's toys that happen to resemble bicycles.
Right, and maybe road cyclists are just people who happen to resemble athletes. (Note: Not something I believe, just an example of something equally far-fetched.) C'mon, seriously. If you buy your "BMX" bike at Walmart, then yeah, it's a toy, just like any other bike from a big box store. But an actual BMX bike is just as far from a toy as a Pinarello or Titus.

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Originally Posted by Zephyr11
If you buy your "BMX" bike at Walmart, then yeah, it's a toy, just like any other bike from a big box store. But an actual BMX bike is just as far from a toy as a Pinarello or Titus.
No, then it's still an equally pointless toy, just an expensive one.
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What about it causes you to differentiate it from any other bike? I can't see why you'd think a BMX bike is a toy, but another bike is not.
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What about it causes you to differentiate it from any other bike? I can't see why you'd think a BMX bike is a toy, but another bike is not.
Simply because any other bike is a form of transport.

BMXs are quite rightly grouped with other toys like children's tricycles.

They also happen to be pointless, horrible and crap.

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bmx have there place, I used to ride, just not nearly as practical as my road or mountain bike. I.E. love riding long distances on both bikes, don't mind going to the store on either bike etc etc. The bmx was always just a okay i'm going to pedal just enough to have the speed to do this jump or slide this rail. Never really a riding kinda bike more of a specialty park kinda thing, or urban assualt bike. Still have my 90's dyno comp, but it mostly sits in the garage and rusts.
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Originally Posted by Unknown Cyclist
Simply because any other bike is a form of transport.
You CAN use a BMX bike as a form of transportation. It's not the most efficient bike to get around on, but technically, a road bike will be more efficient than a mountain bike, cruiser, or hybrid, yet I doubt you consider any of those bikes toys. And a BMX bike is likely more efficient than a trials bike...is a trials bike a child's toy also? And since when is the ability to use something as a form of transportation a prerequisite for not being a toy?
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Originally Posted by Zephyr11
You CAN use a BMX bike as a form of transportation. It's not the most efficient bike to get around on, but technically, a road bike will be more efficient than a mountain bike, cruiser, or hybrid, yet I doubt you consider any of those bikes toys. And a BMX bike is likely more efficient than a trials bike...is a trials bike a child's toy also? And since when is the ability to use something as a form of transportation a prerequisite for not being a toy?
but technically, a road bike will be more efficient than a mountain bike, cruiser, or hybrid, yet I doubt you consider any of those bikes toys.
Correct, they aren't toys, they have proper size wheels, realistically sized frames and GEARS.

You can use a skateboard or rollerskates as transport.

So what ?

You asked my reasoning, I gave you it.

You don't have to agree or like it.

BMX originally stood for Bicycle Moto Cross, where not very bright people could get on small wheeled single speed heavy bicycles and pretend to be real motorcross racers.

When that fortunately died a death the crappy small wheeled single speed heavy bicycles unfortunately didn't die with it.

I feel sorry for every single child I see that has parents stupid enough to buy their child a BMX.

You see them pedalling along at 150 rpm weaving from side to side, kneeing themselves in the chin @ 4mph in a vain effort to try to get somewhere.

Poor little buggers.
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BMX is just another kind of bicycle. I have spent more than a few dollars on them when my son was young and they are not toys. But they are better suited to the younger rider. They are not a road bike but a MTB is not a road bike either. Downhill racers aren’t road bikes either. They have their place just like a SS or fixed gear bike has its place. They just may not be the machine for many of us.
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BMX racing is dead? News to me. Better inform the legions of BMX racers, the companies making BMX race bikes, the American Bicycle Association and National Bicycle League...and the International Olympic Committee for that matter.

Considering you capitalized gears, I'm assuming gears must be a prerequisite for you. So...are single speeds, fixies, and DJ's bikes?
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Originally Posted by Unknown Cyclist
BMX are just children's toys that happen to resemble bicycles.
Do you have a hard time understanding why ice cream stores sell both chocolate and vanilla?
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I think a simple 'no' might be the wiser answer....

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They're children's toys because they're not a form of transport?

I suppose road bikes are children's toys, too, if they're used for racing, huh? I mean, it's not like pro racers ride to the starting line. And they may have "proper size wheels, realistically sized frames and GEARS," but I wouldn't ride one to the market. No rack, no fenders, a masochistic riding position and pedals that require special shoes. Not to mention that they're so hard to lock with all the quick releases and such expensive components.

I get what you're saying, conceptually. It's hard sometimes to take BMX bikes seriously when they can't even pretend to have developed for transportational uses. But eventually you realize that most bikes are like this. 80% of the bikes you see hanging in your LBS were designed for use as fitness machines or competition machines. They're not designed for work.

And when you realize this, you realize that road bikes, mountain bikes, hybrid bikes, trials bikes, hybrid bikes and, yes, BMX bikes, among thousands of other types, are really just sport bikes. And when you look at BMX, real BMX, as a sport, you can't really call it a children's thing. The athleticism at the high end of the BMX scene is astounding. Perhaps not as high-profile or extreme as other professional cycling types, but serious enough to have an olympic category. Serious enough to have a huge number of riders. Serious enough to have BMX imitation bikes in all of the big-box stores.

Toys, maybe. Children's toys, absolutely not.

And I take issue with your definition of transportational bikes, too."proper size wheels, realistically sized frames and GEARS." Really? You wanna know the bike I've been riding everywhere on for over a year? It's a singlespeed folding bike. I assume that by "gears," you mean variable gears, and by "proper size wheels," you mean bigger than 20". My little Dahon has neither. But it's got a rack and fenders, a nice comfy riding position, a bulletproof steel frame and a super-reliable coaster brake, and I can bring it into a store if I need to. The little wheels are strong and allow me to balance huge loads over the rear. The step through frame makes it easy to mount and dismount while loaded. And the singlespeed gearing has never needed maintenance beyond lube once a month. Compared to mine, the bikes that most people ride are all toys.

Cycling is not a competition to see who has the most utilitarian ride. You've got to start thinking about your preconceptions.
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Originally Posted by Unknown Cyclist

BMX originally stood for Bicycle Moto Cross, where not very bright people could get on small wheeled single speed heavy bicycles and pretend to be real motorcross racers.

When that fortunately died a death the crappy small wheeled single speed heavy bicycles unfortunately didn't die with it.

You wouldn't be mocking those who enjoy BMX, would you?

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Why don't we get those who ride BMX into here?
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Ya know those bmx racers, especially the pro's have a really good stamina base and can put alot of power down on the pedals and do use other forms of bicycles to cross train with. We've had a few cross over from BMX racing to mtb racing that are and were quite sucessful, John Tomac, Tinker Juarez, Brian Lopes, Eric Carter, Anne Caroline Chausson. Current ones: Jill Kinter, Jared Graves, Michael Prokop.
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I don't understand how some of you guys can sit here and bash the BMX riders because our bikes have smaller wheels and one gear. Like someone else said, what about single speeds, fixies, etc. I hope I speak for everyone else who rides BMX when I say that we have a burning passion for our bikes just like roadies and the MTB guys. We ride our bikes not only for transportation, but to have fun on our bikes. But I don't know how you can consider them a children's toy. Maybe 16" and smaller yes, but not 20". We love our bikes just as much as you guys do. And BMX racing is bigger now than it ever was. Especially with the Olympic coverage (which was horrible btw). I've been to quite a few nationals and have never seen less than 100 motos. That's at least 4 kids in a moto, so that's what, AT LEAST 400 kids from all over doing what they love. I'm glad my dad introduced me to the sport because now it my passion and my life.
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I don't race anymore let alone have a bmx bike anymore, but I still love bmx racing.
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Originally Posted by Unknown Cyclist
Correct, they aren't toys, they have proper size wheels, realistically sized frames and GEARS.

You can use a skateboard or rollerskates as transport.

So what ?

You asked my reasoning, I gave you it.

You don't have to agree or like it.

BMX originally stood for Bicycle Moto Cross, where not very bright people could get on small wheeled single speed heavy bicycles and pretend to be real motorcross racers.

When that fortunately died a death the crappy small wheeled single speed heavy bicycles unfortunately didn't die with it.

I feel sorry for every single child I see that has parents stupid enough to buy their child a BMX.

You see them pedalling along at 150 rpm weaving from side to side, kneeing themselves in the chin @ 4mph in a vain effort to try to get somewhere.

Poor little buggers.
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So, anyway, about the original question -- "Where does BMX fit into road biking?" Well, what's "road biking"? Around here, "road biking" is using a lightweight race-like bike with drop handlebars and tallish gearing to cruise around 20 mph or more. Go into a bike shop and ask to see their road bikes, and they'll point you to those same racy light bikes.

You can ride any bike on the road, but you can't call every road-ridden bike a "road bike".

The OP's question, then, doesn't make a lot of sense. Is it asking about whether flatland tricksters should run the Tour de France?
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Some bmx racers will use other types of bikes to cross train, it may be a road bike, mtb, fixed gear or something else.
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I don't understand how some of you guys can sit here and bash the BMX riders because our bikes have smaller wheels and one gear. Like someone else said, what about single speeds, fixies, etc. I hope I speak for everyone else who rides BMX when I say that we have a burning passion for our bikes just like roadies and the MTB guys. We ride our bikes not only for transportation, but to have fun on our bikes. But I don't know how you can consider them a children's toy. Maybe 16" and smaller yes, but not 20". We love our bikes just as much as you guys do. And BMX racing is bigger now than it ever was. Especially with the Olympic coverage (which was horrible btw). I've been to quite a few nationals and have never seen less than 100 motos. That's at least 4 kids in a moto, so that's what, AT LEAST 400 kids from all over doing what they love. I'm glad my dad introduced me to the sport because now it my passion and my life.
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