Originally Posted by closetbiker
No. Being in Canada, I wasn't too keen on the free trade agreement when it was being worked out in the 80's and after it passed I thought it was even worse when the US slapped huge traiffs on our BC wood because, the US wanted to have their cake and eat it too.
(like when Canada won a ruling on the US tariffs being unfair) |
Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Has that actually affected anything.
A large part of the BC economy is forestry and the tariffs on the shake and single industry (ruled illegal by the WTO) has put thousands of BCers out of work and kept jobs alive in the southern states. A similar situation occurred when the states decided to put a tarriff on Prince Edward Island potatos (which was also ruled illegal by the WTO) |
Originally Posted by cyclezealot
if production is not subject to competition, do we have true capitalism?
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
You bet!
A large part of the BC economy is forestry and the tariffs on the shake and single industry (ruled illegal by the WTO) has put thousands of BCers out of work and kept jobs alive in the southern states. A similar situation occurred when the states decided to put a tarriff on Prince Edward Island potatos (which was also ruled illegal by the WTO) |
Originally Posted by closetbiker
You bet!
A large part of the BC economy is forestry and the tariffs on the shake and single industry (ruled illegal by the WTO) has put thousands of BCers out of work and kept jobs alive in the southern states BTW, how are all our car manufacturing jobs doing? You don't want us then send those back down here. |
Originally Posted by cyclezealot
I like what they do in Singapore...You drive into the congested central business district..They meter the time you are there, and you pay for each minute in that given area..
The fee is deducted from a cash-card wireless reader when you pass through a gantry. It's turned on during peak hours (morning rush hour) and (after-work peak hour), and it's normally at those roads that get congested easily. For the Central Business District (CBD) area, the gantry is on only at certain times. :) |
Originally Posted by ngateguy
BTW, how are all our car manufacturing jobs doing? You don't want us then send those back down here.
Kellogg's corn flakes now comes from Saskatchewan and Mexico..Is Saskatchewan that cheap for labor ?.... Guess, they have lots of corn. |
Originally Posted by ngateguy
The lumber industry down here is in a world of hurt people are losing jobs that are never coming back.
BTW, how are all our car manufacturing jobs doing? You don't want us then send those back down here. Sort of like good public transit helps the majority by freeing up the roads and no public transit leaves gridlock from too many cars. Goes back to London's mayor saying those trips to pick up / drop off school kids are idiotic. |
Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Sorry you misunderstood..I realize the effects of the tarrif. What I was asking was has the ruling actually changed anything. Last I heard the usa in all their glory were still ignoring the law regarding this even with 2 rulings against them.
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
If it's any consolation, even though our reasoning disagrees in an area of concern for both of us, I just got to say, I'm pleased Tampa's in the final.
As for the article - why is there no one of any political authority like this guy in the U.S.? He speaks his mind against constituents' behavior like nothing you'd ever see in this country. I'm almost jealous. |
Originally Posted by closetbiker
The US will still roll along doing what it likes and take years before it finally does change anything, but they eventually will, and most likely, end up doing something else wrong starting the circle again.
So it is good when it provides you with jobs but bad when we try to protect our jobs. It seems like the cool thing now is to attack America. |
Originally Posted by ngateguy
I don't know about the rulings
Originally Posted by ngateguy
So it is good when it provides you with jobs but bad when we try to protect our jobs. It seems like the cool thing now is to attack America.
Like I said, I'm no economist just passing along a little of what I've read. |
Originally Posted by ChezJfrey
And not Philly? Now you're on MY ignore list :)
Quebec (Colorado) loved him as a GM, he practically handed them the Stanley Cup with the Lindro's trade. I like that a new team and a low paid, underdog team are in the final. Go Flames!!! |
Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to the finals. Tampa has looked really strong throughout the playoffs and Calgary does indeed have finances stacked against them. It'll be some good sport.
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
You can read the WTO's ruling if you want to know about those rulings. They ruled there was no dumping, that what was produced was a result of an effecient industry producing superior product for less money and sold in a fair manner.
Not attacking here, just pointing out sometimes free trade rules aren't followed and maybe good social policy (like over use of personal transportation - aka - using huge SUV's to pick up kids at school - could be changed to something more beneficial to everyone - cleaner air, clearer roads, lower costs of oil due to less demand) could have a place to make the world a better place. Like I said, I'm no economist just passing along a little of what I've read. |
Originally Posted by ngateguy
Cleaner water like maybe when Victoria stops pumping raw sewage inot our mutual water ways. That social policy needs to transend borders as well; as the trade policies Canada is no pure saint in either case.
Let's try to stay on the topic about the mayor's comments and how it relates to cycling as Chris L. did pointing out some problems with oil production and it's effect on the mayors comments on people using oil wastefully. |
Originally Posted by closetbiker
You bet!
A large part of the BC economy is forestry and the tariffs on the shake and single industry (ruled illegal by the WTO) has put thousands of BCers out of work and kept jobs alive in the southern states. A similar situation occurred when the states decided to put a tarriff on Prince Edward Island potatos (which was also ruled illegal by the WTO) |
I don't think I need to say a thing.
Your logic speaks for itself. |
Originally Posted by closetbiker
...Go Flames!!!
--J |
Originally Posted by closetbiker
Goes to show who runs the show in the States. Oil, not people.
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Coincidentally, the CBS evening news did a story this week on gas, uh petrol, prices in London. If I recall correctly, Londoners pay the equivalent of $5.50 per gallon. And what effect have these prices had on driving and car-buying habits?
Zero. |
Originally Posted by Chris L
I heard something on the radio this morning suggesting that a number of countries (including, but certainly not limited to, the US) were calling on the oil producing nations to increase their output/reduce their prices. I always thought in a capitalist state, the idea was that people were free to make as much money as they possibly can? Yet here were the same people who preach the capitalist gospel trying to apply a communist principle. Am I the only one who can see the double-standard?
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Ken Livingstone is up for re-election soon in the forthcoming vote...
It will be ver`i interesting to see if he is returned..... |
"The oil market is not a free market; the price of oil is fixed by a cartel of countries (OPEC) who carefully manage output, and thus manage the price. "
In essence this is correct; but most of the excess oil production in the world is controlled by the Saudis. The Saudi Oil Minisitry is very careful about regualting the price of oil through their production; if it goes too high they worry it could start a world recession. They tend to open the taps when oil prices get too high. In addition, Saudi crude is a very fine grade and easily refined, unlike, say Venezualan crude, which is harder to refine. Most of the countries in OPEC actually wind up ignoring OPEC quotas and pump more than their quota. But it's really the Saudis who control world oil prices more than anything else. However, if demand outstrips supply, it won't matter in the slightest what the Saudi Oil Ministry wants the price to be-- it will go up. |
Originally Posted by willic
Ken Livingstone is up for re-election soon in the forthcoming vote...
It will be ver`i interesting to see if he is returned..... The guy is my kind of left-wing nutbar. For once somebody who cares more about doing the right thing than lining his wallet or getting re-elected. Proof of that being his subsequent comments about SUVs. Finally a prominent politician has come out and said what so many of us are thinking, without the fear of focus groups. Maybe, one day, he might even have enough support to enact the kind of "wacko" changes they've done here in Paris. I've been here 2 yrs so don't know what it was like before the changes, but I can tell you I LOVE IT! Cycling in Paris, even with the (too true) stereotypes of mad French drivers, is wonderful! All these spanking wide boulevards with bus lanes I can use, and all the cycle paths on the main roads.. I LOVE IT! I never feel unsafe or scared or closed in. Kudos to the mayor of Paris. I just get so frustrated that whenever a politician even voices the thought of doing something like this all the soccer moms and car companies and big business and rightwing press go mental proclaiming what stupid, unworkable ideas they are... and then... surprise surprise THEY WORK! Maybe one day Red Ken will have the power to actually do something about SUVs. Until then, I can at least be glad he's come out and said what's on a lot of our minds. |
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