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Tax dollars, it's a tired argument

Old 06-18-09, 10:47 AM
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Tax dollars, it's a tired argument

As a bicyclist I'm sick of hearing the comment, "bicyclists shouldn't be allowed to use the road, since they don't pay taxes."

-First of all, bicyclists also don't use interstate highways either, yet most bicyclists pay federal taxes and federal tax dollars are often given to states to pay for the upkeep of said highways. That's discrimination against bicyclists, I help pay for it's maintenance, I should be able to use it.

I just did a road trip from Massachusetts to Tennessee and back. Almost every state between those two states has some serious highway construction going on thanks to stimulus money. Thank god that money went towards projects that only benefit a certain percentage of the people, that'll definitely boost the economy.

Where is the stimulus money for marked bike lanes? They'd be just as big a boost to the local economy as federal highway projects. Especially since there is a better chance of communities along the bike lanes benefiting from bicyclists spending money in the communities they pass through, than there is of a long distance trucker stopping in every town or state he/she passes through.+


-I own a house, I pay property taxes. A portion of those of those tax dollars are than used to help maintain the local roads. Anyone who doesn't own a home in the town I live in shouldn't be allowed to use the roads in my town, since they're not paying for their maintenance. The additonal wear and tear on the roadways caused by out of town drivers is unfair to the residents of the town.

Furthermore, since renters in town don't pay property taxes, they should also be restricted from using roads that they don't pay to maintain. They're welcome to use the roads that are paid for by other means than property taxes, but only those roads and no others in town.

And renters also shouldn't be allowed to call the police or fire department, since they are both funded with money collected through property taxes, something renters don't pay.


-Pedestrians don't pay any additional taxes either yet not only are they allowed to use the road, other tax payers are forced to pay for the special walking areas known as "sidewalks". And don't even get me started about crosswalks or the crosswalk lights...what a waste of my money. Let those damn pedestrians sprint for the other side of road! If it wasn't for pedestrians we wouldn't NEED sidewalks. Those stupid hippies need to buy a car.

And the children who walk to school can just stay home and get home schooled. They have on-line colleges, why not on-line highschools? Keep the kids at home and take the money that is saved from the maintenance of the buidiings to build more roads! Plus there won't be any NEED for school buses, which are a waste of my tax dollars. My daughter is too young to attend school, why are my tax dollars being used to transport someone elses kid? For that matter why are my tax dollars being used to educate someone elses kid? That's unfair that I can't dictate where my money is spent.



Some people in Massachusetts hasn't gotten out of control regarding being victimized by taxes. There has been talk of removing the toll booths along the Mass Turnpike. One idiot actually complained that it was unfair prosecution of the drivers who use this toll road to have to pay. He even said that the tollbooths should be removed and the taxpayers should be responsible for maintaining the road.

Screw that, I've been on the turnpike a total of four times in the last ten years, the last time was three years ago, if you don't want to pay the toll, than find an alternate route. Route 9 pretty much parallels the turnpike, let the people who don't want to pay the tolls use that road.

I actually think that Massachusetts should put toll booths on both Routes 95 and 91 as well. Other states charge tolls for these roads, why shouldn't we?

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Old 06-18-09, 11:18 AM
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I agree with you. It comes up in my newpaper every few months. (Sadly, after a bicycle accident). They all seemed to forget that a portion of sale tax in Tucson goes to transportation improvements. Bicycle riders buy stuff just like everyone else, therefore we are paying taxes for the roads.
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Old 06-18-09, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DX Rider View Post
As a bicyclist I'm sick of hearing the comment, "bicyclists shouldn't be allowed to use the road, since they don't pay taxes."
The only people who say that are folks who have no idea what they're talking about.

There's a monument on a state highway near my home that states the road was originally built by Daniel Boone with a government grant. Think of it - it would be roughly 100 years before cars were invented and another 100 years before anyone thought to tax gasoline. Yet during all that time we still had roads.

Aside from Interstate highways, most roads are primarily funded by property taxes just as they were in Daniel Boone's day.
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Old 06-18-09, 11:38 PM
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Furthermore, since renters in town don't pay property taxes, they should also be restricted from using roads that they don't pay to maintain. They're welcome to use the roads that are paid for by other means than property taxes, but only those roads and no others in town.

And renters also shouldn't be allowed to call the police or fire department, since they are both funded with money collected through property taxes, something renters don't pay.
I realize that you're being sarcastic, but I really hate that argument...of course, renters pay property tax. Does anyone really believe that landlords don't consider tax as part of their operating expenses and charge their tenants for it accordingly? It's included in the rent.
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Old 06-19-09, 06:40 AM
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^^^Agreed. My renters pay, through rent, the property tax.
Now if you want to debate whether or not non-landowners should have the vote, there is an arguement that is interesting.
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Old 06-19-09, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by shmily_dana View Post
I agree with you. It comes up in my newpaper every few months. (Sadly, after a bicycle accident).
It was yet another comment like this that really annoyed me. Seems like every time a biker gets hit someone pipes up that the biker shouldn't have been on the road because they don't pay taxes. Which is really near sighted.
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Old 06-19-09, 10:18 AM
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Of course, cars don't pay for anywhere near the cost of even road maintenance but let's ask them not to use air because they certainly don't pay the cost of polluting it. How about the water that runs off the oily roads, who pays for that? Raise oil taxes because it is costing Billions just for the Iraq war even now. Cars are NOT paying their fair share, get them off the road.
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As people have noted above, renters pay property tax indirectly. The landlord pays the property tax from the proceeds of the rent.

The thing the renter does not get is a tax deduction for their implied property tax. They also do not get the deduction for mortage expenses that house owners get.
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Old 06-19-09, 10:26 AM
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*didnt read full topic, throwing in my 2 cents*

bicycles dont damage road ways as cars do. MOST the ppl who ride bicycles also owns a vehicle, so they are still paying the taxes to fix roads. and personally, I dont see how ppl can comfortably ride on busy/semi busy roads. if theres a sidewalk, I'll ride that over gettn run over. just riding with my kids 2 blocks down a typ neighborhood road gives me the jitters. my son would rather watch his front tire than where he's goin.......course he's only 4 too, so the ADD is in full swing.
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^^^And that is a good thing. Renting should not be encouraged. People should be encouraged to purchase there own homes.
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Isn't that the point of taxes? Something we all pay so that we can use whichever governmental services we so choose to?
I don't attend public school so why are my taxes still going there?
Are the super-rich that pay huge amounts of taxes entitled to a proportionally higher number of streets? Poor people like me are only allowed on gravel roads on the outskirts?
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