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is it possible to break cleats ?

is there some sort of mechanical load limit that a cleat can take before it either breaks, or breaks the part of the shoe to which it attaches ? or maybe the pedal ?

SPD-SL looks like it should be able to handle plenty of force on the way down - but on the way up ? could it be broken by pulling up too violently ?

how's the durability of SPD ? to me it looks like it should rip out a chunk of the shoe in no time. i don't really understand how so much force can be transferred to such a tiny piece of plastic on shoe bottom. maybe if the shoe was made out of steel ;)

also do SPDs feel stable ? do they wobble around and squeak or screech as you pedal ?

after days of deliberation i am no closer to deciding on SPD vs SP-SL. my other thread answered the logistics questions for me - both SPD and SPD-SL passed that one.

but i still need to make a choice. so now i need to analyze the mechanical angle.

thanks in advance.

Never mind, I remember you now.

IIRC, you're the guy that supposedly generates more power than a TDF pro and disdains all things aerobic. As such, you're probably better off finding a different activity than cycling. The equipment is just not designed for such herculean stress. You'll surely rip the shoes apart if you don't bend the pedal spindle or crank arm first.

The soles of bike shoes tend to made of fiberglass or carbon fiber.

I think you have found your best recreational activity: Jumping to ignorant conclusions.

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Originally Posted by rogerstg (Post 10582010)

Nah, he will get on his bike, and the frame will tear apart under the universe-destroying force he applies to the bike.

I don't think we have had this much entertainment in at least a month.

He's a troll. No point in replying.

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Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT (Post 10573648)

i am a natural born ******bag.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker (Post 10583139)

He's a troll. No point in replying.

This is one of his posts from his personal forum:

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About Trolling
by Troll on Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:01 pm

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He even goes by the handle "Troll". His website is kind of funny, in the sense that if dishes out some pretty heavy schadenfreude.

Just for S&G, I did break a Look ARC cleat once. I unclipped my left foot, and leaned to my right. In the panic, my right foot wrenched and snapped the cleat in half, sending a part flying across a parking lot full of cyclists, but harmlessly landing on the sidewalk.

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Originally Posted by rogerstg (Post 10582010)

my watts are very low. probably about 100. i was quite clear about that.

i expect to produce up to about 300 lbs of force on the pedal when i need to pass somebody. as an engineer when i look at the mount for SPD cleat it doesn't look like it was designed to handle any kind of stress at all.

the mount on SPD-SL looks very good. but then the cleat itself is made out of crap.

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Originally Posted by DieselDan (Post 10582314)

The soles of bike shoes tend to made of fiberglass or carbon fiber

it's fiberglass in my price range.

unfortunately i am not a materials expert so i don't know what the properties of fiberglass are. all i know is it doesn't seem to be used in any serious applications - instead kevlar, titanium or carbon fiber go there.

but it's not so much the material worries me in case of SPD as the geometry of the mount. only two screws that are so close together that you can consider them one.

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Originally Posted by Robert Foster (Post 10582529)

The answer is yes.

hm ... more specifics ?

i am more concerned about the shoe itself as it costs much more than the cleat ...

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Originally Posted by DieselDan (Post 10583341)

i think they were probably designed to fail in this way so that you don't end up destroying your ankle in an accident. when you have a cheap piece of plastic between metal, carbon fiber and your foot it is actually good design that will make the cheap plastic fail protecting the other 3 components of the system from overload.

but in case of SPD it isn't clear what exactly will fail first. that bothers me.

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Originally Posted by GriddleCakes (Post 10583335)

He even goes by the handle "Troll". His website is kind of funny, in the sense that if dishes out some pretty heavy schadenfreude.

Lots of BS in that post (is it really his?). Trolls exploit trust.

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Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT (Post 10584160)

it's not so much the material worries me in case of SPD as the geometry of the mount. only two screws that are so close together that you can consider them one.

Yes I guess you should question one of the most used pedal systems out there. I guess the guys who designed it have no idea what they are doing. I mean serously how could they sell so many of those cheap things? The 2 bolt system is the most used mtb pedal cleat out there weather it be shimano, eggbeater, time, or my personal favorite frogs.

I have never seen anyone rip a properly installed cleat of a shoe.