Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

People with dogs

Old 04-20-10, 09:04 AM
  #1  
peddling9878
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
People with dogs

Has anyone ever had a dog chase them and it ended up in court? I have issues with dogs and I'm going to get a can of pepper spray and spray them. People can't control their dogs. Once a wrcked because of a dog and had to lay in bed for three days. Then another dog came after me and I broke the whole gear derailer trying to get away.
peddling9878 is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 10:16 AM
  #2  
supton
Cries on hills
 
supton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Central NH
Posts: 1,088

Bikes: 2007 Trek Pilot 1.2, 1969 Raleigh Sprite 5

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 83 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have not, but have thought along the same lines as you. But my issues have been while on foot, oddly enough.

Have you talked to your local police? I'd guess that, after any incident, they might like to know. Especially if it causes injury to you. OTOH, they might not care. I live in the sticks, and I'm pretty sure the police wouldn't bat an eye about me using pepper spray on a problematic dog. I mean, around here it wouldn't be unheard of to shoot such a critter (but I've only heard of that once).

Actually, I wonder--after using pepper spray, I wonder if you should notify the cops. I mean, the owner might call the cops themselves. If they are that dumb to call the cops, that is--it's pretty good evidence that their dog was out bothering someone, and got sprayed for it. I don't think you have to, but it might help make the case against the pet owner. Dunno, would be interested in others thoughts on this too.
supton is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 10:31 AM
  #3  
calamarichris
Horse Categorie
 
calamarichris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Carlsbad, CA
Posts: 6,195

Bikes: '09 Felt F55, '84 Masi Cran Criterium, (2)'86 Schwinn Pelotons, '86 Look Equippe Hinault, '09 Globe Live 3 (dogtaxi), '94 Greg Lemond, '99 GT Pulse Kinesis

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 231 Post(s)
Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts
I wouldn't trust advice from strangers on a nationwide forum like this.
The dogs (and owners (and police)) in my mostly suburban environment probably react differently than those in a rural (or a Deliverance) environment.
I like being chased by dogs, and I usually try to lure them into chasing me as far as possible, (mostly because it's a great bother to their irresponsible owners.)
But it sounds like you might live in a different 'hood. Your local police can probably give you a better idea of your legal climate and your best response in these cases.
Good luck.
calamarichris is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 10:54 AM
  #4  
Pat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 2,794

Bikes: litespeed, cannondale

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I know that letter carriers in Michigan rely heavily on pepper spray to discourage aggressive canines. So in that application, it is legal (or so one would think).

I believe that having a dog attack you on a public road gives you ample justification to use non lethal force to discourage them. I do not think that there could be any legal ramifications. In order to sue you, someone would have to show damage to their property. How would your using pepper spray on their pooch cause the owner any monetary damages? Also, the owner was not controlling the dog and they would be liable for a fine in most places because their dog attacked you.

What might be of greater interest to you is the owner attacking you for spraying their beloved pet. Dog owners can be a little strange.

As a hint, just a spray with a water bottle will make most dogs retreat and give you time to make your getaway. Also a water bottle is handy and easy to get at quickly.
Pat is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 11:45 AM
  #5  
dwilbur3
Freewheelin' Fred
 
dwilbur3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 742

Bikes: Surly Cross Check

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Most everywhere I've lived there are leash laws. You'd be completely within your legal rights to pepper spray a dog that was chasing you in those places, probably anywhere else as well.
dwilbur3 is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 12:36 PM
  #6  
Mr. Beanz
Banned.
 
Mr. Beanz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Upland Ca
Posts: 19,896

Bikes: Lemond Chambery/Cannondale R-900/Trek 8000 MTB/Burley Duet tandem

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pat View Post
I believe that having a dog attack you on a public road gives you ample justification to use non lethal force to discourage them.
What might be of greater interest to you is the owner attacking you for spraying their beloved pet. Dog owners can be a little strange. .
I had one rider with an"unleashed" dog chase my wife and nip at her ankle. Then the dog charged me so I kicked it in the forehead, stopped him dead in his tracks. The dude went off on me with some terrible language then took a few steps towards me. I listened for a bit then dismounted my bike with a few choice words of my about his dog chasing my wife. Then he took off on foot calling 9-1-1 saying a big monster in yellow attacked his dog!

Next time I saw the dude, his dog was nowhere around. Funny how they worry about a dog but don't care that the dog could have caused a "person" to crash resulting in serious injury.

Hmm, I wonder what the cops told him!
Mr. Beanz is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 04:50 PM
  #7  
SunnyFlorida
Senior Member
 
SunnyFlorida's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eating oranges of course!
Posts: 561

Bikes: Sun Miami Trike - 2007

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm terrified of dogs and my biggest fear is that I would encounter them as I'm cycling.

Today I saw this fear almost come to life when I went down a new route which took me past homes as oppose to businesses and schools. Sure enough at a corner house was a big ole dog who just seemed to be waiting for me. I could hear him growling 1/4 of a block away. He was just in the front yard. No leash or owner in site. The owner probably just let him out to "do his business".

Well, I'm a wuss. I turned around and cycled the other way rather then pass that dog. Now it may be that in the future I may not have this choice to ride away but today I did and I used it.
SunnyFlorida is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 05:16 PM
  #8  
akohekohe
The Professor
 
akohekohe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Center Sandwich, New Hampshire
Posts: 899

Bikes: Alex Moulton Double Pylon, Surly Big Dummy, Alex Moulton GT, AZUB TiFly

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts
The best defense against dogs is an air horn. Dogs have very sensitive ears and a 110 db blast is enough to stop most dogs before they can get close enough to you to do any harm. They make them in a small size suitable for carrying on a bicycle, I got mine from a marine supply store. This is a much better option than pepper spray which requires you to hit them in the nose or eyes while riding a bicycle and hoping the wind doesn't change and get you with blow-back.
akohekohe is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 06:21 PM
  #9  
sknhgy 
Dirt Bomb
 
sknhgy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,752
Mentioned: 52 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3121 Post(s)
Liked 35 Times in 32 Posts
I had a dog-caused crash about two years ago. Cops did nothing.

I routinely mace any dog that gets within spraying distance.

I've learned to do it very discreetly. I can spray a dog while the owner is trying to call it back, and I don't think the owners know I'm spraying the f'in mutt. If you have time to prepare, you hold the spray can in your palm and hit the trigger with your thumb while holding the can next to the handlebars. This has worked for me a number of times.
If I don't have time to prepare for the attack I just grab the can and spray. If the owner charges they're getting sprayed, too.
sknhgy is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 06:42 PM
  #10  
DX-MAN
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,788
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
A good argument for bar ends; strap the canister to the bar end and just HIT it!
DX-MAN is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 06:50 PM
  #11  
zonatandem
Senior Member
 
zonatandem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 11,017

Bikes: Custom Zona c/f tandem + Scott Plasma single

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 74 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 6 Posts
Another "sue 'em" guy. Hey it's the American way!!!
After 300,000 miles of cycling have never been bit by a dog.
Had some chasers and near misses. Yelling "get off the couch"' seems to get some dogs attention as does veering right at them (you then become the agressor). The dog is usually only protecting his 'territory' that you are invading.
Pepper spray has a tendency to be short range and can blow back in your face.
On our tandem my wife/stoker carries a shrill whistle on a lanyard around her neck . . . just in case. She's used it a few times, usually with good effect. And yes, about 35 years ago she was bitten in the heel while riding on our tandem by a very big boxer dog that was last seen sitting on the porch . . . that sucker moved!
Been chased by geese, goats, dogs, one bull (we live in 'open range' country . . . you hit the cow . . . you pay!), been dive-bombed by birds and chased by various dogs, including a dachshund and a St. Bernard.
So if you want to sue somebody, better find out out what the law is in your neck of the woods; find the owner; have witnesses; be able to prove your injuries in a court.
Think we'll go out and ride now . . .
zonatandem is offline  
Old 04-20-10, 07:05 PM
  #12  
electrik
Single-serving poster
 
electrik's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 5,098
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Every week somebody posts on here asking what todo about being chased, being knocked over or bitten/nipped by somebody else's dog.

To the people who say it isn't happening because they have 6,000 posts or cycled 300000miles, what gives you the right to tell somebody else they weren't chased and threatened with various injury by somebodies dog? Certainly there is a solid cause to sue a dog owner who lets their pet run wild in public causing chaos - particularly if you end up bed ridden for x days due to the dog owner's negligence.

If the dog enters the roadway, get out your mace, water bottle, air horn and spray it before it gets within striking distance or underfoot. I'm sure the owner isn't around watching the dog to care anyways and if they are they probably aren't the type of owner who cares anyways since the dog is out of control.

Too bad for the dog, but that is how it has to be when you're a dog since dog's don't understand bicycles can't maneuver like dogs.
electrik is offline  
Old 04-22-10, 09:14 AM
  #13  
dogontour
Senior Member
 
dogontour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Indianola, Utah
Posts: 141

Bikes: Trek 520 touring, Trek 5200 road

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I love dogs and hate to cause any pain to one. I have always had luck spraying chasing dogs with water. If that doesn't stop them in their tracks then I get off my bike and use it as a shield. I scream at the dog until it goes far enough away for me to get out of there. But this winter I had two seperate instances where me and my four dogs were attacked by other dogs (one dog each time). I was at the mercy of the dogs. I just never believed that a dog would be stupid enough to challenge 4 other dogs. The first one jumped into the middle of my pack and started biting. Luckily my dogs were biting back and not one of them bit hard enough to do any damage. The dog got tangled in my dog's leashes and once he finally got untangled he ran off. Scared me and the dogs though. I called animal control and reported it. They called me back and I was talking to them when the dogs found us again and they got to hear all the chaos and me screaming at the top of my lungs. They hurried so fast. I led them straight to the house. The next incident was less than a week later. We were walking by a house (a different house) and one of their dogs was in the driveway. I saw it but the dogs didn't so I was hoping to get the dogs by the house calmly but the dog ran into the road and bit my dog that refused to back down. Fur went flying as the dogs all started in. The owner was outside and he ran over. It distracted the dog and he began running around us in circles just out of reach of his owner and my dogs...although had I allowed my dogs to pull me they could have easily gotten to him. The owner yelled at me to get my dogs out of there. I was SO mad at him. Here he is with one dog he can't control and I had 250 lbs of dog that I was managing to hold in one spot but couldn't leave because he and his dog were circling us. If we moved they'd either get him or his dog. I was fuming. I called animal control again. My poor dog that got bit also ripped up his pads pretty bad trying to get at the dog while I held my ground. We had to turn around and go home since he coudn't walk on thse pads very well. He never apologized for his dog being loose or biting mine or anything. After that, I went straight to the store and bought a can of spray and I haven't had to use it yet but it goes on every walk with me and I will use it if I have to.
dogontour is offline  
Old 04-22-10, 09:20 AM
  #14  
danadear
Senior Member
 
danadear's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 152
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by akohekohe View Post
The best defense against dogs is an air horn. Dogs have very sensitive ears and a 110 db blast is enough to stop most dogs before they can get close enough to you to do any harm. They make them in a small size suitable for carrying on a bicycle, I got mine from a marine supply store. This is a much better option than pepper spray which requires you to hit them in the nose or eyes while riding a bicycle and hoping the wind doesn't change and get you with blow-back.
Definitely. I only have one dog that likes to run out at me on a regular basis..or used to anyway. I finally had the presence of mind to lay on my air horn and he hasn't come out since. I like dogs and try to "friend" the ones on my usual route. I keep dog treats with me in my bento. But this one was def headed for a wreck with me or a car so I gave him the horn. It worked beautifully. I also carry Halt spray but haven't had to use it yet.
danadear is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
gman214
Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg)
63
06-12-14 12:38 PM
watson
Touring
31
02-09-13 09:34 AM
NILADRI
Road Cycling
15
07-30-10 08:20 AM
RepWI
Touring
27
05-08-10 10:06 PM
Leebo
Commuting
44
02-24-10 09:24 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.