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Does the type of road bike matter with how fast you go?

Old 04-21-10, 05:32 PM
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Does the type of road bike matter with how fast you go?

I have a Bottecchia road bike that I bought last year over the internet. I am not in great shape(195lbs) but I am not that out of shape either but i see other riders that look a lot more out of shape, yet they seem to go a lot faster than me.
I did a 20 mile ride and my average speed at the end of the ride was 13.9mph with rolling hills. Is that to slow? Also i forgot to mention that I have stage 4 kidney disease.
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Old 04-21-10, 05:50 PM
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You have a lot of assumptions in your post. Being able to go fast has nothing to do with looks.

Too slow for what? That's going to have to be a question you answer. Too slow to race in CAT 1? Sure. Too slow for a recreational ride? No.

Probably pretty damn fast for someone in your condition. Hopefully you cleared this with your doctor. If so, good for you for getting out there and getting some exercise.
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There really is no "too slow" if you like riding. If you want to get faster, keep riding.

Keep in mind, the others are putting on a face for their short speedy sprints! Unless you start and end with another rider, you have no idea how far they intend to ride.
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What was the title of that book that the bike racer guy wrote? You know, the guy on Twitter and the beer commercials?
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Id say your average speed isnt too bad for an out of shape kidney disease patient. Most people who ride casually hover around 13-16 mph average.
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Also, know that average speed is extremely meaningless unless you're competing in time trials. FWIW, I'm a Cat 3 and my average speed on my commute is 13mph some days.
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Yes My Nephrologist is aware and is ok with it. Thanks for your post
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I commute on my MTB, and average 13-14, and there's one guy who thinks I'm slow. (That's just cuz he hit 39.7mph on his 2003 Epic with slicks.) For someone dealing with your issues, you're doing d*mn*d good.

Beanz was mostly right about no such thing a too slow, but there is one speed that's too slow... if you can't stay upright, you're too slow. But that can be <1mph.

How well the bike fits you has more to do with it than the type/brand/whatever of the bike. For example, for me to ride Levi Leipheimer's 15-lb racer would be as slow and painful as my own MTB with a dragging disc. (Levi's like as big as my leg...!)
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To increase you average speed, which is pretty good, ease up your effort on the downhills and flats. Then put in 120% effort on the uphill sections. This effort will more than make up the time you lose on the easy sections of the ride.
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Old 04-22-10, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sooprvylyn View Post
Id say your average speed isnt too bad for an out of shape kidney disease patient. Most people who ride casually hover around 13-16 mph average.
Yeah, even if you hadn't mentioned having a disease I would have said that sounds typical - 15mph is pretty average for people, and that's not on rolling hills.

There are things to do to improve your speed (ride more, make sure fit is right, clipless pedals, better pedals stroke, etc). But your speed isn't untypical.

If you're concerned though, I would first just check that there's nothing rubbing on your bike. Pick up the front of the bike and spin the wheel with your hand - it should go around at least 10 times on it's own without stopping. Do the same with the rear wheel, make sure to spin it in the direction where it doesn't move the pedals. If it comes to a stop in 1-3 rotations, you probably have a brake rubbing or bearings that need to be redone.

The next thing to do is make sure the bike (seat, handlebar position and frame size) is fit to you well, but that's a whole different topic.
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Old 04-22-10, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by manuelrosa62 View Post
Does the type of road bike matter with how fast you go?
No, not really. It's really more your conditioning and how you use it.

Originally Posted by manuelrosa62 View Post
I did a 20 mile ride and my average speed at the end of the ride was 13.9mph with rolling hills. Is that to slow?
Depending on actually how hilly it is, that speed isn't really "too slow".

You don't say how much riding you do.

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Being a big guy doesn't mean you can't go fast - I've seen thin people who can barely jog a block before gasping for air, and fat guys who run in marathons.

The guys may have great cardiovascular health, a strong heart, strong legs to give them the power, but enjoy gulping down a pitcher and a plate of wings at the end of every ride.

Unless you are doing racing / group rides and trying to keep pace with people - your speed doesn't sound too slow. I'm not a pro-biker from far (fairly new, learning lots this year), but from what I gather : the benefits you get from expensive equipment, generally start to get noticeable once you are starting to top out your performance and your physical fitness is no longer the barrier to higher speeds. You're not going to find yourself breezing along 10mph faster just because you got a lighter bike and road tire. Maybe a bit faster, but not loads - the biggest increase will come from training.
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Old 04-23-10, 08:42 AM
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Being a big guy doesn't mean you can't go fast - I've seen thin people who can barely jog a block before gasping for air, and fat guys who run in marathons.
I have to say those that say 13mph on rolling hills is slow could be wrong depending on the actual course itself. I do 14 mph average busting my hump on what I consider rolling hills. Others claim 19 and 20 mph. But let me say this, with a 14 average, I did a century with 10,000 ft of climbing (timed event) and finished at 123 out of the 400 riders and I weighed 220 lbs!

Not bad for outweighing most of the riders by 60-80 lbs and averaging that of a "an out of shape kidney disease patient".

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some riders are surprisingly fast, meaning they don't necessarily look like fast bicyclists with team jersey's etc. or even bike specific clothing.

pay them no mind and just keep to your own comfort zone. you'll improve but that average speed is fine. enjoy yourself - it's a bike!
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The faster you go, the more fit you are the more the bike and equipment matter. At 12MPH the bike does not really matter, at 25MPH I would say it does.
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But, is a 3,000 dollar bike going to be twice as fast as a 1,500 dollars bike, of course not. Bike fit and cycle skills count as well.
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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
At 12MPH the bike does not really matter, at 25MPH I would say it does.
So a climbing century with 12,000 ft at 12 mph, the bike doesn't matter as much as a 2 minute 25 mph sprint on the bike trail like too many rider use as a goal? What about comfort?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
So a climbing century with 12,000 ft at 12 mph, the bike doesn't matter as much as a 2 minute 25 mph sprint on the bike trail like too many rider use as a goal? What about comfort?
I am not going to argue with you today, have a nice one.

Some people, maybe not you, can maintain more than 25MPH for over an hour. I said nothing about a sprint.

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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
I am not going to argue with you today, have a nice one.

Some people, maybe not you, can maintain more than 25MPH for over an hour. I said nothing about a sprint.

Peace and Love and if that don't work GLOCK.
Just curious as the OP said rollers/hills. Not sure anyone, not even the TDF riders can do 25 in the hills. So his 13 doesn't seem so bad. Not arguing, jsut debating your comment.

His 13 in the hills could be 20-22 on the flats.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
So a climbing century with 12,000 ft at 12 mph, the bike doesn't matter as much as a 2 minute 25 mph sprint on the bike trail like too many rider use as a goal? What about comfort?
But I don't think this is the kind of riding the OP is doing. Consider that context when reading people's replies.

Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
Just curious as the OP said rollers/hills. Not sure anyone, not even the TDF riders can do 25 in the hills. So his 13 doesn't seem so bad. Not arguing, jsut debating your comment.

His 13 in the hills could be 20-22 on the flats.
While I agree that 13.9 mph is an OK speed, we have no idea what he means by "hills". To a beginning cyclist, road surface variations are "hills"!

It's quite likely that his positioning isn't aerodynamic enough to maintain 20-22 mph on the flats for very long.

Anyway, people routinely expect unreasonable performance advantages from a bike. The bike the OP has is "fast" enough.

He's not going to see any real increases in speed by buying something else (which is what his original question was).

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Originally Posted by Loose Chain View Post
The faster you go, the more fit you are the more the bike and equipment matter. At 12MPH the bike does not really matter, at 25MPH I would say it does.
This isn't really correct (or it's misleading).

At 25mph, the aerodynamic position of the rider has a much greater effect on speed than the bike does. If the rider never rides in the drops, they would be wasting their money buying a more expensive (lighter) bike.

Actually, it's when small performance benefits have a large value (eg, in a race) where you are competitive) that the bike and equipment matter.

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But, is a 3,000 dollar bike going to be twice as fast as a 1,500 dollars bike, of course not. Bike fit and cycle skills count as well.
A $3000 bike is probably 0.1% "faster". Differences in bicyclist conditioning/strength and aerodynamic positioning overwhelm the small performance differences due to the bike alone.

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Old 04-23-10, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
While I agree that 13mph is an OK speed, we have no idea what he means by "hills". To a beginning cyclist, road surface variations are "hills"!
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That's exactly what I said in post #13, that's the reason for bringing up the big climbs and the reason I question the 12 mph vs 25 mph statement made by loosechain.

Stay with me here! Some people read the most recent comments without reading previous comments and how they relate.

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I have to say those that say 13mph on rolling hills is slow could be wrong depending on the actual course itself. I do 14 mph average busting my hump on what I consider rolling hills. Others claim 19 and 20 mph. But let me say this, with a 14 average, I did a century with 10,000 ft of climbing (timed event) and finished at 123 out of the 400 riders and I weighed 220 lbs!

Not bad for outweighing most of the riders by 60-80 lbs and averaging that of a "an out of shape kidney disease patient".

Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
He's not going to see any real increases in speed by buying something else (which is what his original question was).
It was?? I'm getting "am I too slow, should I be on a roadbike?"

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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
That's exactly what I said in post #13, that's the reason for bringing up the big climbs and the reason I question the 12 mph vs 25 mph statement made by loosechain.

Stay with me here!
But, at #17, you go off track pursuing "loosechain's" equally off-track comment!

Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
So a climbing century with 12,000 ft at 12 mph, the bike doesn't matter as much as a 2 minute 25 mph sprint on the bike trail like too many rider use as a goal? What about comfort?
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It was?? I'm getting "am I too slow, should I be on a roadbike?"
Go back and read the first post. He already has a road bike (and I don't think it's junk).

Originally Posted by manuelrosa62 View Post
I have a Bottecchia road bike that I bought last year over the internet.

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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
But, at #17, you go off track pursuing "loosechain's" equally off-track comment!
Maybe because like I said, it was in reponse to Loosechain's post about 12mph vs 25 mph, not the OP as you stated above in #20

and I said in #19, that his 13 on rolling could be 20 on flats in response to the same comment by loosechain.

Now you are saying the same thing to me that I am saying to him in the first place. I got it covered and you are going in cirlces.

Should I go quote your responses to loosechain and comment on them with the same thing I've been saying to start with? That is what you are doing.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
Maybe because like I said, it was in reponse to Loosechain's post about 12mph vs 25 mph, not the OP as you stated above.
But that response doesn't explain (to other people like the original poster) why "loosechain's" comment wasn't correct.

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Maybe because like I said, it was in reponse to Loosechain's post about 12mph vs 25 mph, not the OP as you stated above in #20
You made a crabby reply that doesn't add any useful information! See post #21.

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