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Bicycle or Motorcycle,Which Is Safer????

Old 06-07-10, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Booger1
Neither,cars don't see either one.
Very good point, and in the city, the motorcycle is moving slow too. Cagers are always a serious threat!
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Originally Posted by cehowardGS
It is just that I am used to the full protective gear, I feel right naked on the bicycle..
There's no law against wearing protective motorcycle gear while on a bicycle.
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I rode motorcycles for almost 20 years and have been bicycling for about 5. To me, the bicycle feels much more dangerous because of the much more vulnerable feeling I have on the bicycle. You've given up so much maneuverability/acceleration/braking when going from the motorcycle to the bicycle, and the safety gear feels like a joke after wearing motorcycle gear. The couple of my biker friends that ride bicycles too all feel the same way too, but the statistics say motorcycles are more dangerous. SIPDE works for bicycles too, keep paying attention and you'll be better regardless of whatever two wheeled adventure you're having.
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Originally Posted by no motor?
I rode motorcycles for almost 20 years and have been bicycling for about 5. To me, the bicycle feels much more dangerous because of the much more vulnerable feeling I have on the bicycle. You've given up so much maneuverability/acceleration/braking when going from the motorcycle to the bicycle, and the safety gear feels like a joke after wearing motorcycle gear. The couple of my biker friends that ride bicycles too all feel the same way too, but the statistics say motorcycles are more dangerous. SIPDE works for bicycles too, keep paying attention and you'll be better regardless of whatever two wheeled adventure you're having.
That is the reason I posted this thread. I feel the same way. When I ride motorcycle, whether it be on the racetrack or street, I am in FULL GEAR from head to toe, all the time. No exceptions. I don't even ride in jeans, or timberland boots. It has got to the be the whole nine yards. All the crashes I had on the motorcycles, I have come out unscathed.

Like you say, the stats say motorcycles are more dangerous. However, the other day, I am riding the bicycle, with my helmet, and I felt NAKED. With the motorcycle, you can stop, cut, accelerate away from trouble, not so with the bicycle. Be that as it may, Looks like I am in on the bicycles, but will learn how to be as safe as I can.. Hopefully.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
That was cool. The bike rider had on what I call full gear, the same gear I have on the motorcycle. Might look un comfortable, and might be a tad hot, and a tad tight, but that leather takes the hit instead on your skin. And those pads in side, take the jolts that break bones instead on your bones..

Nice vid..
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On a bicycle you lose skin, yes, but 99% of the time that is it. If you slide into a telephone pole at 60mph you are going to be hurt no matter what gear you have on. Bicycles don't go 60mph. And the statement that a motorcycle is more maneuverable is untrue... the laws of physics tell us that stopping or changing directions on a 600 lb motorcycle requires a lot more energy than stopping or changing direction on a 200 lb bicycle. WHen I am riding a bicycle on the city street I can hop sideways onto the curb with 0.2 second warning. I can not hop onto the curb on a motorcycle.

I like riding both motorcycles and bicycles, but serious injury is more likely on a motorcycle.
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Originally Posted by LarDasse74
On a bicycle you lose skin, yes, but 99% of the time that is it. If you slide into a telephone pole at 60mph you are going to be hurt no matter what gear you have on. Bicycles don't go 60mph. And the statement that a motorcycle is more maneuverable is untrue... the laws of physics tell us that stopping or changing directions on a 600 lb motorcycle requires a lot more energy than stopping or changing direction on a 200 lb bicycle. WHen I am riding a bicycle on the city street I can hop sideways onto the curb with 0.2 second warning. I can not hop onto the curb on a motorcycle.

I like riding both motorcycles and bicycles, but serious injury is more likely on a motorcycle.
What we mean we say out manever, we mean get out of the way fast. I have had cars come right at me, and I just powered out of their way. No, you can't hop on a curb with a motorcycle! However, just like one other poster stated, I feel safer on the motorcycle because the full gear. Mind you, I am getting into this bicycle thing, but coming over from motorycles, I do feel dam right NAKED.
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I know more people who have died from a bicycle crash than a motorcycle crash.
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Originally Posted by cehowardGS
However, just like one other poster stated, I feel safer on the motorcycle because the full gear. Mind you, I am getting into this bicycle thing, but coming over from motorycles, I do feel dam right NAKED.
I **totally** know what you're talking about. My husband and I race with CCS, and are track coaches with STT in the Midwest. I've been riding bicycles since childhood, but only really gotten "serious" the past couple years. He's been racing motorbikes, and riding road pedal bikes much longer than I. Riding in traffic on the road feels **insane** compared to riding on a track in full gear. Sharing the road with cagers while wearing spandex and a beer cooler hat?!?! Seriously?!?! Terrifying. I nearly thank every single car that passes me for not hitting me. I've gone 160+ at Road America, and felt safer.

On the other hand, I'm not really surprised by the statistics. While my ovaries are not as big as some of the other girl racers like Elana Meyers or Melissa Paris, and have not had a big crash (and am therefore pretty slow and a perpetual yellow plate) yet, I've had more friends in fatal motorbike crashes than pedal bike (although that may be due to knowing more moto riders). I met my husband because he died for a few minutes after a highside and was in the ICU for a few days. Broke a couple ribs, collar bone, and shoulder blade, punctured and collapsed lung. Bleeding out of every opening. Half of one of his lungs is unusable. I can't remember how many times he's crashed racing, and he's even crashed coaching (heck, I almost witnessed him crashing *my* bike coming out of a turn and getting into a tank slapper). But. I still worry when he's gone longer than I think he should be on a training pedal ride, and I worry just as much when he commutes by bicycle to work.

It's the beer cooler hat.

I kind of want a pedal bike helmet with some kind of chin bar, knowing what I know about face plants and why a full face moto helmet is the best option. I'm not so worried about the spandex, because I don't ever get much over 30mph, and while I'm sure it hurts to lose some skin if I fall down under my own power, not even full leathers will help me if hit by a car.

I agree that life is short, and you should do what you love... and while I'm supportive of my husband racing and participate myself, I also understand being a worried spouse.

Funny story: Last year my husband was in a race that was red flagged. I waited for him to come off track with everyone else. Didn't come in. I paced around, found an official with a radio and asked if #13 was involved. They didn't know. The busses rolled. Still no husband. Then I start getting a little panicked. Busses come in, he's not there. WTF!!..... Then he rolls up, he'd stopped to talk to someone after he pulled off track. That's the first time I gave him "rules" at the track. If you are EVER in a race that's red flagged, you come and talk to me FIRST. You don't make me wait around wondering if you're ok.

There was another race that was red flagged, where he was actually involved, and he came in on the bus. He was ok. bike cartwheeled but he just got knocked out. My race was coming up and we had the discussion about what happens if one or the other needs to be transported, and the other has a race. He said, well, then you race, not like you can do anything waiting around at the hospital. LOL. Um sure. Like knowing my husband is badly hurt isn't going to mess with my head to the point where racing would be a dumb idea. Nice to know where I stand if I get hurt. (For the record, I'm pretty sure if I got hurt that badly, he'd be at my side too.)

The decor on your moto gear cracks me up by the way. I'm guessing you did the F40 and the WERA seniors classes?
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Originally Posted by annc
There's no law against wearing protective motorcycle gear while on a bicycle.

Ha, you got me there and a great point!!

Picture me on the little tiny bike with this on..In fact, this is what I have on today, I commuted to work on my motorcycle. I only wear full gear.

https://www.cehoward.net/stbu2.jpg

I will say, my motorcycle race boots will not fit in the toe clips, that for sure!!

I will take a pic with me on the bicycle with full motorcycle gear on.. Everybody that knows me know that I am not dealing with a full deck anyway....

Will post that picture this evening.
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Originally Posted by truckstop
The decor on your moto gear cracks me up by the way. I'm guessing you did the F40 and the WERA seniors classes?
Hiya truckstop, you called it right on the head. First, I hate the F40 races, and complain to the officials that them 40 year old peeps ain't no seniors!! I get mostly in the meatgrinder and the unlimted. I push a 06 cbr600rr..

https://www.cehoward.net/630-p.jpg

They need to push the F40 and senior races ages up to 60+, and I would love a 65+ class..

I just got married last year, my wife is much younger.., and wants to keep most of me intact for as long as she can. So, she has put a damp on my racing and allowing me to do nothing but a trackday every couple months. She said, I could do one race every couple months, but without constant race practice with other racers (MAARC) I lose what little edge I have in racing. Hence, throw in the bicycle that I have had for a while. She is all for the bicycle bit.. Since I am a rider that not only wears full gear when racing, but I wear the same thing on the street. I will not set foot on the motorcycle without full gear. Took a couple hard crashes in the mountains too, and same thing again, with the full gear and the Lord, I come out unhurt.

This bicycle, I got all of ME hanging out there!! And to be truthful, ain't that much of me. All my suits have to be custom made, as I am real, real skinny! As you can see I got three of them. BTW, they treat me like a king at the races..Most of the time guys will bring their parents over to meet me, and most of the time I am older than their parents, and faster then they are. I might steal in a couple races this year. Motorcycle racing is the utltimate high. When I pass the youngsters and they get a look at the "over sixty" on my suit as I go by, my smile goes to the top.

Look, I could go on an on, but you FULLY understand what I am talking about, coming from being fully covered on two wheels, to being almost naked on two wheels. It doesn't matter that the bicycle can't do the speeds that the motorcycle does, ANY speed is SPEED. I am sticking with the bicycle, my sweet wife wants to keep me kicking for a few more years, and I mean kicking right too , so I am easing down..

I did some trackdays with STT at Barber and BeaverRun. I use to push a RC51.

The other racers are trying to buy my 600rr too..

You and your hubby be safe out there..
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Originally Posted by aadhils
I know more people who have died from a bicycle crash than a motorcycle crash.
As we all know, all crashes are BAD!! It is just that on motorcycles, most of us are amoured up to the hilt. On the bicycle, we are almost naked.

However, life goes on, and nothing is going to change, and I am going to ride the h*ll out of these bicycles..Wtih only a helmet too.
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Most of the older riders around here are wicked fast and get much respect. One of them has back problems and sometimes has a hard time walking but he's the guy everyone chases (and have been chasing for many years) in the lightweight classes. I think it's fantastic. Not many years to go before we hit F40 too, but still racing when you're over 60 is absolutely something to admire.

You should check out criterium racing. It's the closest thing to racing motorcycles I've seen, but it's still a strange culture shock. It's so quiet! Instead of motors bouncing off of rev limiters at the start, you get a muted whoosh and the clicking of cleats pushed into pedals. I haven't figured out the rhyme or reason of the line the peloton takes around a course either. The other weird thing is that you can talk to the other riders around you, and work with them. I don't know that I'll ever try it if I get faster pedalling, but the Mr. has been doing more and more and has a lot of fun.

We're actually not track riding at all this summer because out health insurance got jacked up and we won't ride without coverage. (We have ins, but they don't allow any form of motorsport or off road riding). His Gixxer 1K is for sale and my 600RR has street plastics back on it. He's training for triathlons and getting a pretty good fix with that, still, it's for sure nothing like the high of racing motorbikes.
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Originally Posted by cehowardGS

Will somebody tell me what is the secret of NOT GETTING HURT in a bicycle crash???
Define "not getting hurt." Is a skinned knee the same as a broken leg? If not, then the "hurt" you are liable to get on a bicycle is nothing compared to the hurt of the motorcycle... and I doubt all that crash gear is going to keep you from breaking bones.

The motorcycle has one thing the bike doesn't have... speed. And there is no way around F=MA. The force of any crash on any vehicle is Mass times Acceleration... so the faster you are going, or the heavier you are, the more force is applied to your body in breaking potential.

If you never go above 25MPH... no matter what, then the only factor is Mass, either that moving you or that which hits you.

Now take this one step further... if you are in a car, and another car hits you, the force of the crash is distributed through the mass of both vehicles. If you are on a motorcycle or bicycle, you have little protection if you are hit by a car, as the force of the crash is again distributed through the mass of both vehicles, but the small mass of the bicycle/motorcycle and rider absorbs the more of the distributed force... and the faster you are going (motorcycle) the greater that force.

So in the end the bicycle is safer, simply due to lower force due to lower mass and acceleration. Simple physics.
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Now if you still want the thrill of fast, and still prefer to be all armored up... check out downhill racing. Watch out for trees and rocks.
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Originally Posted by truckstop
Most of the older riders around here are wicked fast and get much respect. One of them has back problems and sometimes has a hard time walking but he's the guy everyone chases (and have been chasing for many years) in the lightweight classes. I think it's fantastic. Not many years to go before we hit F40 too, but still racing when you're over 60 is absolutely something to admire.

You should check out criterium racing. It's the closest thing to racing motorcycles I've seen, but it's still a strange culture shock. It's so quiet! Instead of motors bouncing off of rev limiters at the start, you get a muted whoosh and the clicking of cleats pushed into pedals. I haven't figured out the rhyme or reason of the line the peloton takes around a course either. The other weird thing is that you can talk to the other riders around you, and work with them. I don't know that I'll ever try it if I get faster pedalling, but the Mr. has been doing more and more and has a lot of fun.

We're actually not track riding at all this summer because out health insurance got jacked up and we won't ride without coverage. (We have ins, but they don't allow any form of motorsport or off road riding). His Gixxer 1K is for sale and my 600RR has street plastics back on it. He's training for triathlons and getting a pretty good fix with that, still, it's for sure nothing like the high of racing motorbikes.
In all my crashes, I knew how lucky I was. Never got laid up, never broke anything, just pure lucky. BTW, I did my first trackday, and first time on the racetrack when I was 65, did trackdays for a year an half, then at 66 signed up for WERA & CCS.. I think all and all I racked up about 25 races. No places, but fun to the roof!! My street ride is a 07 Gix 1000, in fact, I am commuting on it today..

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I don't want my 600rr to collect too much dust.

The triathlons sound like BIG FUN, but I can't swim!! and my knees are shot from years of running. But, you just put a bug in my ear, and might see if I can get to be fast on the bicycle.

Really nice talking to you,
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Originally Posted by genec
Now if you still want the thrill of fast, and still prefer to be all armored up... check out downhill racing. Watch out for trees and rocks.

Oh Gawd! That will be all I need!!

Is that on pavement? I am not down with the dirt. When motorcycle racing my favorite place to pass was downhill turns!!

I am not getting in the dirt!!
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Originally Posted by cehowardGS
Will somebody tell me what is the secret of NOT GETTING HURT in a bicycle crash???
There is no magic pill, but one thing that I've found very helpful is the two quarters of trampoline training that I took at college. It taught me to be as comfortable in the air as on the ground, so I learned how to rotate my body while in flight and plan my landings
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Bicycles are far safer. Plenty of stats to back it up and common sense - speed kills. BTW there is a saying among some offroad mtb peeps that the guy with the most safety gear on is probably going to the hospital first!
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Originally Posted by cehowardGS
That is the reason I posted this thread. I feel the same way. When I ride motorcycle, whether it be on the racetrack or street, I am in FULL GEAR from head to toe, all the time. No exceptions. I don't even ride in jeans, or timberland boots. It has got to the be the whole nine yards. All the crashes I had on the motorcycles, I have come out unscathed.

Like you say, the stats say motorcycles are more dangerous. However, the other day, I am riding the bicycle, with my helmet, and I felt NAKED. With the motorcycle, you can stop, cut, accelerate away from trouble, not so with the bicycle. Be that as it may, Looks like I am in on the bicycles, but will learn how to be as safe as I can.. Hopefully.
Most of the people I rode motorcycles with were pretty serious about the safety gear, and we all felt the same way when switching from motorcycle to bicycles. And the people who started riding motorcycles after only riding bicycle all seem to wonder why you need all the safety equipment.

I feel like I switched from a motorboat to a sailboat after switching from motorcycles to bicycles, even if I still think of a motorcycle instead of a bicycle when I think bike. I bet you'll like it too, welcome.
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Originally Posted by Artkansas
There is no magic pill, but one thing that I've found very helpful is the two quarters of trampoline training that I took at college. It taught me to be as comfortable in the air as on the ground, so I learned how to rotate my body while in flight and plan my landings
Great response!

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I've always felt the opposite of what almost everyone is saying. I've felt that bicycling is more dangerous than riding a motorcycle mainly because every right-lane driver on the road passes by a cyclist. Most times it is the biker that's doing the passing. Every danger that a motorcyclist faces so does a cyclist.

I'm not talking about extreme motorcycle riding or racing just regular street riding. There is no doubt that crashing on a motorcyle can be more deadly than a crash on a bicycle crash.

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Originally Posted by longbeachgary
I've always felt the opposite of what almost everyone is saying. I've felt that bicycling is more dangerous than riding a motorcycle mainly because every right-lane driver on the road passes by a cyclist. Most times it is the biker that's doing the passing. Every danger that a motorcyclist faces so does a cyclist.

I'm not talking about extreme motorcycle riding or racing just regular street riding. There is no doubt that crashing on a motorcyle can be more deadly than a crash on a bicycle crash.
Hit from behind isn't the most common accident though, like 15% i saw once... the ones where you get cut off are more common and much deadlier when on a motorcycle.
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If I were to judge from my personal experience, I'd have to say bicycles are more dangerous. Motorcycles were my only transportation for 7 or 8 years, and I did take a few low-speed spills, but never had even a slight injury, except for one bruise I got riding dirt bikes. Then I started riding bicycles. My first crash, at less than 10 mph, resulted in a severely fractured shoulder that required two surgeries and seven months of rehab, kept me off the bike for nearly a year, and left me with a slight but permanent loss of mobility.

Along with the rest of you who came from motorcycling, I always wondered why bicyclists don't wear any protective gear and always felt naked. But when I was finally able to ride again after the injury I started wearing a full-face helmet, an armored mesh jacket, and knee pads. For a long time I was just too scared to get on my bike without that gear. I'm not scared anymore but I still wear it most of the time, even though I've had people point and laugh.

Oh...and I've since acquired two more bicycles, heh.

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