Home bike repairs done badly
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Home bike repairs done badly
Some home mechanics are equipped to the hilt and know exactly what they`re doing. Some don`t have a clue. I really want to encourage anyone who wants to do their own work and has limited experience to buy a repair manual. Working in a few different shops, I consistantly trip accross some home repairs that produced less than ideal results. Ocassionally the results brought the bike in for recovery treatment. Here are a few examples of simple tasks that lack of experience can make complicated:
Changing brake pads. Should be straightforward but the most common error I see is brake pads installed backwards. Or with the cupped washers installed in the wrong order or direction.
Changing cables. Straightforward again right? But now the ferrules for brake housing are different from the ferrules for compressionless shifter housing and NO - you can`t use brake cable ferrules on compressionless cable. But apparently some people do anyway.
Keep that chain lubed! A great idea but when grease and oil and dirt and hair and grass start to block the jockey pullys and fill the gear cluster don`t you think it might be time to clean something?
Tire direction. I`ve seen some discussions that indicate its irrelivent regardless of that directional arrow on some tires. So how come if a bike shop put it on backwards it would be unprofessional but if you did it its irrelivent?
Look! The wheels come off so I can put it in the car! Of course you should reinstall those wheels properly afterwards. Installing a wheel crooked afects braking. So does hooking up the brake incorrectly. And pads can fall out of disk brakes. Braking directly on the piston because of a missing pad will guarantee a need for new pistons.
Yeah - I`m really trying to promote sales of Park Tool`s Big Blue Book of Bicycle Repairs - but only because I think a lot of bicycles would be a lot happier afterwards.
Changing brake pads. Should be straightforward but the most common error I see is brake pads installed backwards. Or with the cupped washers installed in the wrong order or direction.
Changing cables. Straightforward again right? But now the ferrules for brake housing are different from the ferrules for compressionless shifter housing and NO - you can`t use brake cable ferrules on compressionless cable. But apparently some people do anyway.
Keep that chain lubed! A great idea but when grease and oil and dirt and hair and grass start to block the jockey pullys and fill the gear cluster don`t you think it might be time to clean something?
Tire direction. I`ve seen some discussions that indicate its irrelivent regardless of that directional arrow on some tires. So how come if a bike shop put it on backwards it would be unprofessional but if you did it its irrelivent?
Look! The wheels come off so I can put it in the car! Of course you should reinstall those wheels properly afterwards. Installing a wheel crooked afects braking. So does hooking up the brake incorrectly. And pads can fall out of disk brakes. Braking directly on the piston because of a missing pad will guarantee a need for new pistons.
Yeah - I`m really trying to promote sales of Park Tool`s Big Blue Book of Bicycle Repairs - but only because I think a lot of bicycles would be a lot happier afterwards.
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Cool note there! Just yesterday I ordered the Big Blue Book II. I hope it will come in handy cause my LBS are not that professional.
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How does the Park Big Blue Book compare with the Bicycling Magazines repair manual. I've the magazines manual, but am open to another.
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I just use the internet when I want to learn how to do something. Lots of good instructions and how to videos. I like park tool's website and bicycletutor.com for videos. It's worked out so far but I haven't really had a major problem and if I have, then it's time to go to the LBS.
edit: basic maintenance and repair is basic. Everyone should learn how to change a tire and adjust the brakes at least. Lubricating the chain is just a given, too. I hear way too many dry chains around here. I wonder why people can't just lube the chain...
edit: basic maintenance and repair is basic. Everyone should learn how to change a tire and adjust the brakes at least. Lubricating the chain is just a given, too. I hear way too many dry chains around here. I wonder why people can't just lube the chain...
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I just use the internet when I want to learn how to do something. Lots of good instructions and how to videos. I like park tool's website and bicycletutor.com for videos. It's worked out so far but I haven't really had a major problem and if I have, then it's time to go to the LBS.
edit: basic maintenance and repair is basic. Everyone should learn how to change a tire and adjust the brakes at least. Lubricating the chain is just a given, too. I hear way too many dry chains around here. I wonder why people can't just lube the chain...
edit: basic maintenance and repair is basic. Everyone should learn how to change a tire and adjust the brakes at least. Lubricating the chain is just a given, too. I hear way too many dry chains around here. I wonder why people can't just lube the chain...
Seriously, my LBS has never talked to me about basic maintenance I can do at home, if it is required and how often. I would just drop a visit when I had a problem and by the way I'd tell them to lube my chain. And all they would do was to spray excess oil without removing the grime first!
Talk about ignorant people stumbling over unprofessional shops...
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Are you trying to kill our business ?
People operating without a clue account for a good percentage of the work that shops get paid to do.
People operating without a clue account for a good percentage of the work that shops get paid to do.

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You, sir, should make money from people choosing to rely on you for any reason. But you should also advise customers for simple maintenance tasks they can perform at home. It's unethical to regard your customers only as a bag of money.
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It's another thing not being able or not having the time to do something and another one being mislead on purpose by LBS in order for them to earn money.
You, sir, should make money from people choosing to rely on you for any reason. But you should also advise customers for simple maintenance tasks they can perform at home. It's unethical to regard your customers only as a bag of money.
You, sir, should make money from people choosing to rely on you for any reason. But you should also advise customers for simple maintenance tasks they can perform at home. It's unethical to regard your customers only as a bag of money.
The post was intended to be humorous... when I am not running my shop I spend a lot of time teaching people how to perform every aspect of bicycle maintainence at our co-op and also teach our other volunteers so they too can do this.
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Have been doing this long enough that I can say that some of the better mechanics in the city learned a great deal from me and from their time volunteering at our co-op as it does not only teach people how to service theoir own bikes but is an excellent training ground for mechanics as you get to see so much.
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It's another thing not being able or not having the time to do something and another one being mislead on purpose by LBS in order for them to earn money.
You, sir, should make money from people choosing to rely on you for any reason. But you should also advise customers for simple maintenance tasks they can perform at home. It's unethical to regard your customers only as a bag of money.
You, sir, should make money from people choosing to rely on you for any reason. But you should also advise customers for simple maintenance tasks they can perform at home. It's unethical to regard your customers only as a bag of money.
However there are those of us that (a) just don't like mechanical work of any sort and (b) are total mechanical klutzes.
There is nothing at all wrong with someone fixing there stuff for them and gets paid for it. In my time on these boards I have never known SixtyFiver to espouse unethical practice.
You owe him an apology, junior.
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Perhaps you are new here... oh wait... you are.
The post was intended to be humorous... when I am not running my shop I spend a lot of time teaching people how to perform every aspect of bicycle maintainence at our co-op and also teach our other volunteers so they too can do this.
The post was intended to be humorous... when I am not running my shop I spend a lot of time teaching people how to perform every aspect of bicycle maintainence at our co-op and also teach our other volunteers so they too can do this.
Sorry again if I offended you somehow.
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Perhaps you are new here... oh wait... you are.
The post was intended to be humorous... when I am not running my shop I spend a lot of time teaching people how to perform every aspect of bicycle maintainence at our co-op and also teach our other volunteers so they too can do this.
The post was intended to be humorous... when I am not running my shop I spend a lot of time teaching people how to perform every aspect of bicycle maintainence at our co-op and also teach our other volunteers so they too can do this.
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Bicycle Repair Man !!!
I work for myself and have a small client base, I like to know that if a person has a small issue that they can fix it and be on their way rather than find themselves stranded.
Now... off to fight the spread of communism.
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I am a professional...and I do it at home 
I worked in a couple of bikes shops many, many years ago. One was staffed with competent mechanics, the other with sales people. Fortunately I learned from the one with competent mechanics.
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I worked in a couple of bikes shops many, many years ago. One was staffed with competent mechanics, the other with sales people. Fortunately I learned from the one with competent mechanics.
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Some home mechanics are equipped to the hilt and know exactly what they`re doing. Some don`t have a clue. I really want to encourage anyone who wants to do their own work and has limited experience to buy a repair manual. Working in a few different shops, I consistantly trip accross some home repairs that produced less than ideal results. Ocassionally the results brought the bike in for recovery treatment. Here are a few examples of simple tasks that lack of experience can make complicated:

We had a bike shop in Denver long ago that gave a rather nice on-bike toolset away with every bike sold. Someone asked the owner how he could afford to give away such an expensive premium. He responded, "For every toolset I give away, I get 10 times back in repairs. I make more on wheel truing alone than the toolsets are worth."
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Working on bikes isn't really that difficult if you take your time, research, think things through, and use the appropriate tools.
Bikes are relatively simple machines. Cars on the other hand...yuck.
Bikes are relatively simple machines. Cars on the other hand...yuck.
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Creaky chains, poorly adjusted/no brake pads or cables, seats too low, broken spokes, rusty everything. Normal everyday sightings here in Taiwan. Most people only get something fixed if they can't ride the bike. Preventive maintenance usually doesn't happen.
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I recently helped some other people buy used road bikes. Both bikes I got looked like the chains had been painted with grease. Literally the whole drive train was black and sticky.
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I picked up a nice Viscount Sebring for free. While going over it, I noticed the quick releases on the center pull brake were both open. The calipers had been adjusted to compensate. The bike didn't look like it had been ridden all that much, so odds are that it came that way from the shop.
Been in good bike shops, and been in bad ones. The more arrogant the mechanic, the more likely he's an idiot.
Been in good bike shops, and been in bad ones. The more arrogant the mechanic, the more likely he's an idiot.