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Old 07-06-11, 01:49 PM
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Component/bike question.

Hey guys, I finally went down to the 2 LBS they have here and test rode some bikes. Im stuck between a Trek 1.1 or a Giant Defy 1. They are both awesome bikes but I have a problem. I was reading that the 2300 are bad for downshifting on the "Drops" what are drops. I had no problem with the 2300 but I did notice that they shifted alittle rough, like If I shifted the front derailleur it would have chain skip. Overall it wasnt too bothersome. After test riding the trek I went over to the giant LBS and rode the defy 1 and I must say the shifting was totally smooth and I didnt notice any chain skip. The trek was priced at 630 (Normally 730) while the giant was at 1050(Normally 1300), Is the giant that much of a step up from the trek that it would be justifiable to spend the extra 400 on it? Also, it seems like the giant bike shop had better deals like tune-ups for life and 20% off all accessories if I buy a bike from them. The other LBS that has the trek only offered one tune-up within 30 days. What would you guys do??
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Old 07-06-11, 02:47 PM
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The Giant Defy 1 comes with a better component group than the Trek 1.1. The price is point on the Defy is on point due to the better group, which I believe is 105. The Shimano 2300 group that comes with the Trek is an okay group and works the way it was designed, but it is at the bottom of the line-up from Shimano.

I would spend the extra money on it jsut so I don't feel the need to upgrade...at least for a little while.

But, the problem is, once you get the bug, you will want to start upgrading and it is a slippery slope
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Old 07-06-11, 02:49 PM
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...and learn how to wrench on your own bike. Then you'll see for yourself whether or not the tune-up/maintenance service is worth your while.
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Yeah, the primary consideration for a new bike is the frame and specifically how it fits you. All the bits will wear out soon enough if you ride it like you should. Always replace the worn out mech with better mech...

I agree that you should be able to do basic maintenance on your bike. For sure be able to fix a flat and adjust derailleurs and brakes.

There are those that don't like dealing with mechanical things and in that case having a relationship with a good mechanic is Extremely Valuable.
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As to the different shops.

Did one seem to have more interest in getting you on a bike that fit? As opposed to on a bike and out the door as quickly as possible?
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Old 07-06-11, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
As to the different shops.

Did one seem to have more interest in getting you on a bike that fit? As opposed to on a bike and out the door as quickly as possible?
+1. Be wary of those ass bags that just want to make a sale and thin out their inventory.
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Well, they were both helpful but the lady over at the trek LBS was more helpful in adjusting the seat and finding the right size of bike for me. The guy over at specialized/giant just took a bike and had me ride on it, it was alittle small but still. He also told me if i'm going to buy a roadbike that I would have to get the defy 1 as anything else under it is junk.
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Old 07-07-11, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Oakleyguy89 View Post
Well, they were both helpful but the lady over at the trek LBS was more helpful in adjusting the seat and finding the right size of bike for me. The guy over at specialized/giant just took a bike and had me ride on it, it was alittle small but still. He also told me if i'm going to buy a roadbike that I would have to get the defy 1 as anything else under it is junk.
Shop for a bike shop first. Better people matter. If you have a service issue or a warranty issue, who do you want working for you?

The bike is just produce so compare apples to apples. There's a step-up from that Trek that is equipped similar to the Giant. If you're undecided, buy that. You'll get the better bike and the better bike shop.
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What step up are you talking about? Theres the 2.1 but thats like 400 more than the giant. I wish the trek store had the giant for the same price.
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Originally Posted by Oakleyguy89 View Post
What step up are you talking about? Theres the 2.1 but thats like 400 more than the giant. I wish the trek store had the giant for the same price.
You're telling me the Trek shop doesn't have any road bikes priced between $600 and $1,400? Why not tell the Trek people exactly what you want and the price quoted by the Giant shop and let them tell you what they can do for you?
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Old 07-07-11, 04:11 PM
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The MSRP of the Defy 1 and the Trek 2.1 are 1 dollar apart. The Defy 1 is on sale, so there is a $300 savings for you if you think that it is the better bike, and that the shop is worth spending your money in. If you ride a 2.1, which has the same 105 component group as the Defy 1, and think it is a more comfortable ride, or if you really like the shop that much better, then you may want to spend a little more money to get a bike that you will likely ride more, and a shop that will take care of you after the sale.
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Old 07-08-11, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by demoncyclist View Post
The MSRP of the Defy 1 and the Trek 2.1 are 1 dollar apart. The Defy 1 is on sale, so there is a $300 savings for you if you think that it is the better bike, and that the shop is worth spending your money in. If you ride a 2.1, which has the same 105 component group as the Defy 1, and think it is a more comfortable ride, or if you really like the shop that much better, then you may want to spend a little more money to get a bike that you will likely ride more, and a shop that will take care of you after the sale.
I actually called the trek store and they have the 2.1 for 30% off so its $959. Cheaper than the giant and the guy was pretty helpful. I bank with a credit union and the guy said I would be better off going through them than going through trek financing. They only carry the compact crank, and the giant only has the compact crank over at the other LBS. If I was to go with the trek should I have them order the triple or is there not that much difference?

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They only carry the compact crank, and the giant only has the compact crank over at the other LBS. If I was to go with the trek should I have them order the triple or is there not that much difference?
That really depends on the terrain and your riding style. Provide a little more information.

I have a compact crank (50-34) on my bianchi that I built this last winter and it has a 12-29 rear cassette. I feel that this is good for most of my riding except when I go touring. I'm not the a real strong rider and tend to spin up most hills. If I know that I will be riding some long tough hills then I get out the bike with a triple crankset (53-39-30). My touring bike has a compact triple (50-39-30).

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Old 07-09-11, 05:11 PM
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The components on the Giant are a HUGE step up from the Trek. As well - the Giant packages offer some of the best dollar values available as they make frames for several other major companies. Aside from that - sounds to me like the customer service is LOTS better at the Giant dealership. Thats the choice of the guys running the shop. Looks like a no-brainer decision to me.
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I was left with the impression that the OP thought the customer service at the Giant dealer was worse.
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At this stage of your riding---The bike matters little- providing it fits- feels comfortable and works. Now when you have ridden for a year you will find that you need a different size frame- the groupset is not as good as you want so the Next bike will have better and that the colour is wrong.

What does matter is the LBS. They can vary tremendously and find the one you want to deal with. I would be wary about the Giant dealer if they are saying that anything below the Defy1 is junk. Plenty of good bikes out there that are cheaper and as good. The Defy will be a good bike but get the size right and haggle more.
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6 View Post
The Giant Defy 1 comes with a better component group than the Trek 1.1. The price is point on the Defy is on point due to the better group, which I believe is 105. The Shimano 2300 group that comes with the Trek is an okay group and works the way it was designed, but it is at the bottom of the line-up from Shimano.

I would spend the extra money on it jsut so I don't feel the need to upgrade...at least for a little while.

But, the problem is, once you get the bug, you will want to start upgrading and it is a slippery slope
If the idea is to upgrade in the future, why not spend less now and upgrade even higher than 105 down the line?
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You are on the other side of the spectrum. The thing is, if you spend less now and "settle" for a mediocre bike, you will be unhappy with the purchase and you get too busy trying to make the bike into something you almost like instead of getting the bike you really like. You end up spending more money than if you start with the bike you want.
But, people will do what they feel is best. I've always believed in the adage "the poor man always pays twice".

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Originally Posted by Oakleyguy89 View Post
I actually called the trek store and they have the 2.1 for 30% off so its $959. Cheaper than the giant and the guy was pretty helpful. I bank with a credit union and the guy said I would be better off going through them than going through trek financing. They only carry the compact crank, and the giant only has the compact crank over at the other LBS. If I was to go with the trek should I have them order the triple or is there not that much difference?
If you're not strong enough to climb any hill you come across with a 34x26, 23, or 21 depending on whether you prefer a 13, 12, or 11 starting cog I'd get the triple so you can have both range and spacing.
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