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Old 07-06-11, 09:08 PM
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Whoah!! You Guys Aren't Going To Believe This:

I get a call from one of my friends(he has a nice roadbike, a CAAD i think), you guys are going to scratch your heads on this one(as i have). He says that he was out riding around his block, and upon coming home, and just reaching his driveway, 3 cop cars come out of nowhere, driving like 60 mph down his street, and get him before he gets any further up his driveway. Anyways, they order him off the bike, and onto the ground. My buddy doesn't know WTF is going on by this point. They start checking him out, patting him down, etc. He hears one of the cops say "I'm glad we got him". Seems, he was accused of "stealing someone else's bike", and they had some kid in the back of the car, who swore up and down the bike my buddy was riding, was his(it's not), and was "stolen out of his garage"(it wasn't). My buddy(who keeps receipts on EVERYTHING he buys), says to the cop.."Sir, i think you're mistaken, I've never stolen anything in my life, and Im not about to now. I bought this bike about 2 months ago, and i have....."(before he could get out the "I have the receipt to back it up part out), the cop tells him to STFU, and calls him a "POS thief, and he'll be going to jail for some time".


My friend started freaking out and said.."Umm sir...I have the receipt from this bike...and all of the warranty info in my house, if you just let me go get it, you'll see that this bike is clearly mine"...he said the cop still wasnt having it. By now, it's a huge production, and there are no less than 6 cop cars @ his house...they're all standing around, and talking smack to my friend. The guy who accused him claimed he saw him steal the bike out of his garage, and so forth.

About 2 hrs pass by...everyone's standing around, when a supervisor arrives on the scene finally. He starts talking to my friend and says "what happened? where did you get the bike? blah blah blah". My buddy says" Sir, I tried telling the other officer, I have the receipt for this bike, all of the warranty info, you name it. It's in my house, but they wont let me get it to prove i didnt steal this bike". He says that next, the supervisor goes into his house,(w/my buddy present), and stands and waits till my friend produces said paperwork. He does, upon this, the cop says(I **** you not): "Why didn't someone investigate this more? this clearly IS NOT the other persons bike, it clearly states on here, he bought the bike, the serial numbers match, why is this person in handcuffs and why hasn't anyone checked this out"?

When my buddy tells him that when he tried explaining it to the officers that he had said info, the officers told him to "STFU and to do what he was told, and so forth, or else". The other officers swore they never said any of that and that my friend was making it up.

The next thing that happens is...the guy who accused my buddy, said "thats my bike...i dont care what the paperwork says, he probably doctored the paperwork to say those things". He gets out, starts looking over the bike(the bike isn't even his same size bike, it's like 4cm's larger-when he goes to sit on it, he can barely reach over the crossbar). The cop then says" I think you might've made a mistake...this bike is clearly too big for you bud. Why did you waste our time? You've accused this poor guy of stealing your bike, you're clearly wrong". The guy still claims my buddy stole it from him. When the cops threaten to arrest him for false info/etc...the guy backs down and says "oh, sorry, maybe i do have the wrong person, it was dark, and I saw him riding by my house, and thought he had stolen my bike".

Turns out, his bike was taken from outside of his work, like a week before, and a police report was taken for it. But, this guy didn't mention any of that to the cops, he just accused my friend of stealing his bike.

My buddy just called me yesterday, and said that the cops called him, and asked if he'd like to press charges against the accuser? my buddy doesnt know what to do. My buddy says, he was humiliated, and made to feel very uncomfortable, and thinks that this guy was just trying to make up some excuse , to get a new bike from an innocent person.



Check that out(true story). What do you guys think?

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Old 07-06-11, 10:05 PM
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God bless all our cops for what they do for the safety of our society, BUT, you never want to be on the wrong end of a conversation with a cop who has made up his mind against you. There's a reason cop cars used to be "black and white" with no shades of gray. Sounds like your buddy either lives in a small town with unsophisticated cops, or is not especially caucasian. There's no reason to cuff a man in his own front yard over bike when he claims to have a receipt. One of those cases where you wish the wife had been at the front door getting some video on her cell phone. Your buddy should be getting a written apology or filing a complaint.
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Old 07-06-11, 10:09 PM
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press charges on the accuser and the cops.
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Old 07-06-11, 10:59 PM
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I'd ask for the accuser's address then go steal his other bike.

I dunno but I keep all complete bike purchase receipts for that reason.
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Old 07-06-11, 11:08 PM
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Seriously? The police not only persued a stolen bike complaint; they showed up with three patrol cars. That's incredible!
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Originally Posted by xrayzebra View Post
... There's no reason to cuff a man in his own front yard over bike when he claims to have a receipt... Your buddy should be getting a written apology or filing a complaint.
1- I assume you weren't there. Do tell, based on one, third hand side of the story how you know there was no reason to cuff him. First, you should tell us about all your years of police work and your understanding of why they do and don't do things.

2- Agreed. If your buddy feels wronged, he should file a complaint with the police department. He should also commend the supervisor for finally doing the right thing.
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Old 07-06-11, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by zonatandem View Post
press charges on the accuser and the cops.
What could he press charges against the cops for? False arrest? This would be a civil violation, so there are no charges to be pressed. His remedy would be via civil lawsuit claiming his 4th Amendment right to be free from an unreasonable seizure was violated. Good luck proving that when a cooperative witness is pointing him out saying he's the suspect.
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Old 07-07-11, 12:12 AM
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police need to show good judgement and restraint. this could have been avoided if the police bothered to ask him if he could prove he owned the bike.
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Old 07-07-11, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by zonatandem View Post
press charges on the accuser and the cops.
This is the right idea.

Except like said above file a civil lawsuit. The cops really screwed up, and that is not ok. He should get a lawyer. If this story is correct there are plenty of ways that a decent lawyer could press some compensation (most likely settled out of court) out of the accuser and cops for their wrongdoing.
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Old 07-07-11, 04:15 AM
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If he presses charges against the accuser, the cops will be the witnesses. If he presses charges against the cops and the accuser, he better make sure someone in the neighborhood videotaped everything because he would have no witnesses for either case.
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Old 07-07-11, 04:31 AM
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"When you call a cop, he only has one option - to be a cop. Any cop worth the name can find you guilty of something."

My brother and a very good friend have been cops, for years. They told me that. The response on the street is to shut it down... who is actually guilty can be sorted out in time.

Three squad cars and a supervisor - for a (supposed) bike thief? It's pretty obvious how YOUR tax dollars are being spent.
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Hopperja: I won't disagree with you. You'll notice I started with my praise and respect of cops before saying that they are human and fallible. There may well be a reason to cuff a man in his own front yard! There may well be a reason to shoot him dead in his own front yard. Luckily these cops didn't go that far.

And, of course, there's always at least two sides to every story. That, and the fact that stories about stuff cops supposedly did will always bring out people who hate cops and people who assume that cops are always right. Casual talk about cops is sometimes too close to both religion and politics for some people to handle.
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Originally Posted by Nermal View Post
Seriously? The police not only persued a stolen bike complaint; they showed up with three patrol cars. That's incredible!
You got that right! Too bad they were asses who wouldn't listen to reason. "I have a reciept" should have been the end of that.
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Old 07-07-11, 06:34 AM
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You're right. I don't believe it.
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Originally Posted by Nermal View Post
Seriously? The police not only persued a stolen bike complaint; they showed up with three patrol cars. That's incredible!
That is incredible.

Around here the only place you see 3 patrol cars respond is the Krispy Kreme.
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You're right. I don't believe it.
Count me in as non-believer.
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Old 07-07-11, 09:17 AM
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Time to speak with a good attorney. There are records. There are radio transmissions between the cops and dispatcher. There must be a written report to account for all the cars and cops in one place for so long. Let the supervisor explain why he had to be called in. Supervisor had to make a report to justify his time.
It can go as far as you want it to go. This had to bring attention in the neighborhood. Someone must have seen what was going on.
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Old 07-07-11, 09:40 AM
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If it really went down as described (and I'm skeptical), then perhaps he shouldn't "harass" the cops because someday it may be his bike that the PD is looking for.
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Old 07-07-11, 10:44 AM
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press charges on the accuser and the cops.
Granted the fellow went through an extremely unpleasant experience. He has my sympathies. But I doubt that there is an effective legal remedy.

It is my understanding that filing a false report is illegal and actionable. I believe that a "false report" has to be a written sworn statement which sounds as if it is lacking here. Calling the police with a verbal account that is inaccurate is not actionable. I believe the reason why verbal reports are not covered is that police want people to talk to them. If you could get sued if you were inaccurate in your statements to police about suspected crimes, no one would report crimes.

What are the police guilty of? They had a witness. They believed a crime had occurred. The detained the suspect. They followed procedures with the hand cuffing. The major thing they did was use some coarse language.

The main thing they did not do was to check the receipt story. Even then the supervisor checked the story and the guy was released.
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Count me in as non-believer.
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Old 07-07-11, 01:40 PM
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This would fall uner the "Cool story, bro!" schtick!
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As a police officer of 40+ years, I know that these stories tend to get somewhat "doctored" in the telling... If the guy was at was was apparently his house and claimed to have paperwork showing ownership... Should have been a 5-minute case.

We had a similar case years ago.... A service station owner had a German Shepherd dog that stayed in the business overnight to discourage thieves. He had gotten the dog from the St. Louis police... It flunked out of K-9 school.
Anyway, along comes a guy who swears it's his dog. The dog has a chipped tooth and so did this guy's.
He's adamant that the dog is his, and can prove it, he says. He has taught the dog hand signal commands. All we have to do is let him go into the service bay with the dog and give his hand signals, and the dog will obey him.
The manager is a little nervous about this; the dog is not exactly friendly. What if he bites the guy? But finally he agrees. The guy goes in, and stands perfectly still while giving these little hand signals. The dog ignores him completely; doesn't even look at him.
He stands there for about five minutes, looking increasingly foolish, and finally gives up.
The manager offers to get the reciept from the St. Louis PD, but the guy admits it's not his dog and leaves.
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Bikewer: Thanks for your service to our civil society. 40 years, man.... wow. I'll bet you've seen it all!
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
You're right. I don't believe it.
That's what 'incredible' means.
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I wouldn't press charges. My good friend is a police officer in Pittsburgh and he tells me how things on both sides get heated in the moment. I agree that if he really did say he had proof of ownership that any good cop would/should have let him prove it. Either way I would let it go as a bad experience and not drag it out for anyone any longer than necessary.
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