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Old 07-23-11, 11:15 AM
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Waiting at the signal and the signal won't change. # %$*@!

Have you had the unpleasant experience of moving into a left hand turn lane or stopping at a red light and the darn light will never change and you're not even close to the cross walk button to freaken even get the signal to change! Happens to me more often than not. Sometimes I even run the light, if there's no traffic in sight. I feel so sucky after doing this though. See, I wanta be a law abiding citizen like everybody else!

Wish more cities had weight sensitive areas on the street like Berkeley CA (where I've lived) that would trigger the signal to change. Cause I'm tired of it all!

Sometimes I purposely will stop in the cross walk when making a left to allow for cars to advance close to the white line so that the signal changes. But some people think you're a SOB, jerkwad for blocking the cross walk! Anyway, happy riding all!
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Old 07-23-11, 11:26 AM
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The sensors are for metal not weight. Center your bottom bracket over the wires in the ground and the lights will trigger.
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Old 07-23-11, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fenway View Post
The sensors are for metal not weight. Center your bottom bracket over the wires in the ground and the lights will trigger.
Maybe, depends on the sensitivity and the type of loop they are using.

My rule is 45 seconds. If there is little or no cross traffic and the light doesn't change I go after what I consider a reasonable time frame. I know that some lights in heavy traffic areas may run up to a 3 minute cycle, but if it is a demand light shame on them for not setting them up properly.

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It's a very common problem even with motorcycles, which have infinitely more metal than carbon road bike. My rule is if it hasn't changed when it is supposed to, it's broken, and I proceed when safe. I think that reasoanble and justifiable, but a police officer and traffic court may not. Proceed at your own risk.
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Old 07-23-11, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
It's a very common problem even with motorcycles, which have infinitely more metal than carbon road bike. My rule is if it hasn't changed when it is supposed to, it's broken, and I proceed when safe. I think that reasoanble and justifiable, but a police officer and traffic court may not. Proceed at your own risk.
Tell me about it...I got a ticket years ago. I came to stop at the red light, 2 minutes later it had not changed so I rolled the intersection, cop had me pulled over within 30 seconds Come to find out the arsehole knew the light was stuck and was taking the easy way out to write tickets. When the investigation was completed they had to dismiss some 200 tickets he had written for that intersection. Where he screwed up was giving a ticket to some hot shot lawyer's daughter.

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We allways figure if it does not turn in a reasonable amount of time it's broken and proceed with caution.
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Originally Posted by Cyclomania View Post
Have you had the unpleasant experience of moving into a left hand turn lane or stopping at a red light and the darn light will never change...
Have you tried turning right and then making a U turn when there is no traffic?
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I waited 15 minutes once then just said screw it. As soon as I turned a cop on a motorcycle pulled me over and he was laughing his ass off He just laughed at me and rode away.
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Old 07-23-11, 09:27 PM
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Become a pedestrian and walk or just run it. It's not like murder or voting Republican.
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A lot of places have laws about non-functioning traffic lights. The problem in PA is that they don't define non-functioning. There are several places where I know I can't trigger the light (or can't figure out where to stop). If there are no other cars around, I look and go. If there are cars coming, I wait for them. At larger intersections, I go over and push the crosswalk button.
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Old 07-24-11, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RonH View Post
Have you tried turning right and then making a U turn when there is no traffic?
I did that one time in a car and got a damned ticket for an illegal U-turn...

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I suggest if a particular light does not trip when it's ridden over to please call the DOT or whatever agency is in charge. I do believe they are able to adjust it. Even if they can not, at least a record of it will have been made which could be referred to if a cop does pull you over.
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Cyclomania, Around here the rule of thumb is to wait through two traffic light cycles and proceed carefully. There's nothing I found that expressly deals with a traffic light problem except to treat it as a four way stop.

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Good argument for big, heavy, steel bikes - so the magnetic traffic light sensor will trip!
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I cast level-16 Charm on a nearby motorist and make them trip the sensor.

If I don't have enough mana points for that, however, I'll wait through a stoplight cycle, or long enough to confirm it's not detecting me, and then go. Or if that intersection is one that I know won't trip, and doesn't automatically cycle, then I may loop over to the crosswalk button.
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Originally Posted by chandltp View Post
A lot of places have laws about non-functioning traffic lights. The problem in PA is that they don't define non-functioning. There are several places where I know I can't trigger the light (or can't figure out where to stop). If there are no other cars around, I look and go. If there are cars coming, I wait for them. At larger intersections, I go over and push the crosswalk button.
I like the idea of complaining to traffic planners and city council members regarding this issue. Perhaps they'll put in those keen bicycle triggers on the pavement that Berkeley California has!
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Originally Posted by chandltp View Post
A lot of places have laws about non-functioning traffic lights. The problem in PA is that they don't define non-functioning. There are several places where I know I can't trigger the light (or can't figure out where to stop). If there are no other cars around, I look and go. If there are cars coming, I wait for them. At larger intersections, I go over and push the crosswalk button.
There are some places I have been in PA that the crosswalk buttons don't work either. IHMO they should have a number posted that you can call. I called the local PennDOT office only to be told that it was a local signal...called local they claimed it belonged to PennDOT...AFAIK the damned thing still doesn't work.

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if it doesn't detect a bike, it's non-functioning. One of the Pa bike routes goes by my house, and the loop doesn't detect a bike. I'd say about 1/3 of the lights I go through regularly don't change for a bike.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
I called the local PennDOT office only to be told that it was a local signal...called local they claimed it belonged to PennDOT...AFAIK the damned thing still doesn't work.

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Shoot out the red light and see who comes to fix it!

I once had a problem light on my short city commute. Since I knew the head Traffic Engineer, I told him directly that my bike wasn't tripping the light. Knowing I was a bicyclist, he suggested that I go up on the sidewalk and hit the 'walk' button. "I can do that with my Kawasaki 750?" I asked? The light was fixed the next day.

For those that don't know the traffic engineers personally, I suggest writing a letter to the proper authority, stating the problem intersection and including something like:

"State law allows me to treat the malfunctioning signal as a stop sign, and to proceed with caution; but this is a busy intersection. I will hold the <department> liable if anything unfortunate happens as a result of trying to navigate past this hazard."

Traffic departments don't like that word, "liable."
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Become a pedestrian and walk or just run it. It's not like murder or voting Republican.
That's a cheap shot, and an unjustified insult to fellow Americans. Just sayin'...
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Man, that is messed up...
Whoops. Forgot the quote. I am referring to post #5...

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That's a cheap shot, and an unjustified insult to fellow Americans. Just sayin'...
No it's not. They deserve every insult I can throw at 'em.
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in minnesota it is legal to cross a red-light on a motorcycle or bicycle is the light is non-functional and/or you have waited a "reasonable" amount of time for it to change. I ride a motorcycle as my primary vehicle and use this law very often as my motorcycle is mostly aluminum and never sets off metal sensors.
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Originally Posted by Fenway View Post
The sensors are for metal not weight. Center your bottom bracket over the wires in the ground and the lights will trigger.
Yes, the induction loop is set for a mass of a conducting material. It's not a pressure (weight) sensor. However, centering your bottom bracket over the wires isn't what triggers it either. Rolling your wheels along the length of the most sensitive part of the coil - which centering your BB over the loop is doing - will trigger the circuit and change the light. Look here for the Reader's Digest version. Look here for the full on geeky technical version.

No you don't have to wait for 15 minutes. All most all laws state that you have to wait a 'reasonable time'. Reasonable isn't 1 to 30 seconds because most lights are on a longer cycle then that.
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