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The Beauty of Walmart Bikes

Old 10-11-11, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
We're not addressing the suspension issue here, only the strength of the frame. Admittedly, the frames are strong!...Maybe cheaply made, but strong nonetheless!

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??? The suspension is part of the frame. If the suspension is weak, the frame is weak.
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Old 10-11-11, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JusticeZero View Post
Ah, but are the frames equally strong, if weight is removed as a variable?
They may be equally strong. An excessively heavy frame might not be as pleasant to ride. If you don't ride much, it won't matter.

80 lb for a bike is really unnecessary.

Anyway, it's pretty bizarre logic to think they would not "cheap out" on the frame but "cheap out" on the components.
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Old 10-11-11, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
??? The suspension is part of the frame. If the suspension is weak, the frame is weak.
Hey there NJKayker!

If you're saying that the fork is part of the suspension system, I would agree that it's a part of the frame. However, that's pushing it to the absolute technical limit, because, usually when one orders a frame for rebuild, they just get what they asked for, the frame only, without the fork.

Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about....

- Slim

PS.

Now ordering a frameset is different!

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Old 10-11-11, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
They may be equally strong. An excessively heavy frame might not be as pleasant to ride. If you don't ride much, it won't matter.

80 lb for a bike is really unnecessary.

Anyway, it's pretty bizarre logic to think they would not "cheap out" on the frame but "cheap out" on the components.
What's so bizarre about it?

Aluminum is cheap. Since cheap, is already cheap, how much cheaper could a cheap piece be?

Practically all of the profit in making aluminum bikes is in the labor. That's how we lost our American bicycle manufacturers. They went the way of the greater profit margins!

- Slim
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Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
Hey there NJKayker!

If you're saying that the fork is part of the suspension system, I would agree that it's a part of the frame. However, that's pushing it to the absolute technical limit, because, usually when one orders a frame for rebuild, they just get what they asked for, the frame only, without the fork.

Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about....

- Slim

PS.

Now ordering a frameset is different!

Ummm...maybe he's refering to the shock/swingarm/pivot-points on a Wallsquishy,which could definately be considered part of it,even if it's not technically in the box when you order a new frame
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
Sheldon was not the type to make statements without being able to back them up and had access to all kinds of statistics... if he was here he'd clear things up for you in his usual wonderful manner.
Well, I'm a card-carrying skeptic (I don't actually have a card, but you get the idea), so I'm not accepting argument from authority. Solitary studies arenít always right, that's why you have to have independent confirmation by other studies.

That said, Sheldon's site is wonderful and has a ton of useful info. But I still want to see the study so I can make up my own mind about it's validity.
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Old 10-11-11, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Singlespeed92 View Post
Here's one think of un-beauty about it...while it is a cool (subjective term ) SS about-townie,it is NOT a fixie,it freewheels
look again, the sign for it states that it has a 'unique flip flop hub' though how it is unique I don't really know. It is a fixie depending on how the rear wheel is on, otherwise it is just a single speed.
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Old 10-11-11, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
Hey there NJKayker!

If you're saying that the fork is part of the suspension system, I would agree that it's a part of the frame. However, that's pushing it to the absolute technical limit, because, usually when one orders a frame for rebuild, they just get what they asked for, the frame only, without the fork.

Otherwise, I don't know what you're talking about....

- Slim

PS.

Now ordering a frameset is different!
Some of the frames have crappy rear suspensions. And a "fork" isn't really a "component".

Arguing "frame" versus "frame set" (frame and fork) is very silly too.

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usually when one orders a frame for rebuild, they just get what they asked for, the frame only, without the fork
Ordering a Walmart "frame for rebuild"? Really?

Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
What's so bizarre about it?

Aluminum is cheap. Since cheap, is already cheap, how much cheaper could a cheap piece be?

Practically all of the profit in making aluminum bikes is in the labor. That's how we lost our American bicycle manufacturers. They went the way of the greater profit margins!

- Slim
???

Dude, it's your stupid argument. You are arguing that, while the components are cheap crap, the frames magically are not. The Walmart frames are cheap because they require less labor to make. Just like their crappy component!

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Old 10-11-11, 12:57 PM
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Loving my wallyworld bike wife bought it for me back in june and i ride every day i have logged over 800 miles with no probs at all not even a flat {knocks on wood** what i did do was have it checked over at the shop w/tuneup $30.00 and i put new brake shoes on it,i also installed the bar ends bottle holders and rack,picked up a computer and gloves along with a bell for the river dike path that is shared by all.This is the first bike i have rode and owned in 30 years and i love it,i have lost 17 lbs in that time and feel a lot better.Also gave me the encouragement to join the local fitness center.Yes im a clyde


My wally bike we call her spidypig










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Old 10-11-11, 02:22 PM
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The beauty about Walmart bikes is that they are the last ones a thief would steal.
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Old 10-11-11, 03:16 PM
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^Hey that was uncalled for i love my bike
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Old 10-11-11, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by justtom View Post
^Hey that was uncalled for i love my bike
Ride the heck out of it!!
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Old 10-11-11, 03:47 PM
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I'm really not sure why this is such a hard concept and debate. Mart makes inexpensive, cheap bikes that fit the bill for those who have little or wish to spend little money and generally place fewer "demands" on their bikes. It is a statistical calculation that the low price and quality will work out favorably for their needs (every need) of their market. Upgrading the quality would necessitate a price out of the reach of many and approaching a generally better built, longer lasting LBS bike (ie an option/market already filled by others). So why improve if it further excludes a segment of their obvious market?

Sure, as with any stats there are high and low exceptions. With careful care, maintenance and indoor storage a Mart bike may last a longer and "harder" useful life. Great, but that is not the norm. So knowing this and the potential for failure and costly/time consuming attention if one HAS extra funds for a better built bike it would seem the logical decision. Especially when one also considers the added pleasure of a better functioning bike. Of course for some this is less important or even noticeable (to each their own).

Where the real distinction lies for me is between the TYPES of Mart bike. Road use can be far more forgiving. A Mart MTB for actual off road use is frankly phenomenally unwise. The just are not built for the rigors and forces of even moderate off road use (I'm not talking a smooth dirt road here) and will likely break. Mart knows full well though that their suspension bikes are invariably used on streets and the most demanding terrain they will likely encounter is a curb.

So their bikes fill a necessarily roll in the market just the way they are. They are like most of Mart's stuff "cheap plastic cr*p" but most buyers don't need or want much more than that....
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Old 10-11-11, 04:50 PM
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Two words:
Standard Deviation
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Originally Posted by justtom View Post
^Hey that was uncalled for i love my bike
I wasn't saying they were not good, but just that the thieves prefer expensive bikes. Yours look nice and I'm glad you enjoy them. Besides, if you lock it next to another bike, you need less worry to lose it than the other bike owner. Btw are your Wally bikes heavy?
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I wasn't saying they were not good, but just that the thieves prefer expensive bikes. Yours look nice and I'm glad you enjoy them. Besides, if you lock it next to another bike, you need less worry to lose it than the other bike owner. Btw are your Wally bikes heavy?
well i just have the one pictured and yes it is heavy around 38 lbs as it sits right now im sure i could knock off about three pounds if i removed the suspension seat post,but the weight does not bother me at all only when i need to carry it.
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