Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 15181101)

I agree...with a caveat. Current multitools are poorly designed and ill fitting. They just don't fit your hand all that well. I've looked at the Crank Bros above and the Topeak Alien and others but they all are cumbersome. Ritchey made the CPR-9 back in the mid 90s and although it fit your hand better, it was mostly useless because it had no leverage.

The caveat is the Cool Tool. One of the first multitools and still, in my opinion, the best. It fits your hand like a real tool. The allen wrenches come off so that they are actually useful. If you need more torque you can put the allen wrenches in the end and extend the lever arm of the tool. And the chain tool is actually robust enough to be useful. They've saved me from a hike out of the woods more than once.

Originally Posted by Keith99 (Post 15191112)

I was thinking my older than dirt multitool was a Cool Tool. Now I'm pretty sure it is.

The chainbreaker works just fine. I think I did get one additional allen wrench for either a light mount or a rack on my Mtn bike. Otherwise it has everythign I need on the road.

Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 15192731)

Does it look like this?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0108.jpg

Originally Posted by Retro Grouch (Post 15193260)

Are those allen wrenches 4,5 &6? That might be the perfect tool to pack along with our Kettweisel trikes. I wonder if I can still get one?

Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 15192731)

Does it look like this?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0108.jpg

I made a 'sock' for it out of an old inner tube and put the allen wrenches that weren't all that common when it came out in there with it.

Originally Posted by GT4 (Post 15176824)

Has anyone been successful with using the TINY chain breaker that comes with many multi tools? I haven't and I want to say it's a useless piece of metal. I need some LEVERAGE! I also feel that many bike multi tools come with a plethora of other useless hex keys, anyone else agree?

http://westwoodcycle.ca/images/libra...ghres_11_m.jpg

Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 15192731)

Does it look like this?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...e/IMG_0108.jpg

I made a 'sock' for it out of an old inner tube and put the allen wrenches that weren't all that common when it came out in there with it.

Originally Posted by njkayaker (Post 15193986)

Ain't that the shizzle. I've never seen one. I wonder if the wrench is flat enough to be usable on the pedals.

Here are some more pictures (of other pieces to it).

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=4956.60

Originally Posted by digibud (Post 15204393)

10 spd chains are fundamentally different than, say, 8 speed and even 9 speed. with 10speed you can't pop out a rivet half way and then push it back in. You can't reuse the rivets at all and you have to be much more precise....it may not be a bad chain.

Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 15205316)

With Shimano,you have to use a new pin every time. With SRAM,you can rejoin the chain,even 10spd,as long as you don't push the pin completely out.

Originally Posted by digibud (Post 15204393)

10 spd chains are fundamentally different than, say, 8 speed and even 9 speed. with 10speed you can't pop out a rivet half way and then push it back in. You can't reuse the rivets at all and you have to be much more precise....it may not be a bad chain.

Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 15205316)

With Shimano,you have to use a new pin every time. With SRAM,you can rejoin the chain,even 10spd,as long as you don't push the pin completely out.

Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 15206634)

You are both wrong. You haven't been able to push a pin out and put it back for most chains for many years. SRAM has used a master link on their chains since the advent of 8 speeds. Almost all chains since then have used peened pins which have mushroomed heads to deal with side forces. The days of pushing a pin back in are long gone.

Originally Posted by GT4 (Post 15176824)

Has anyone been successful with using the TINY chain breaker that comes with many multi tools? I haven't and I want to say it's a useless piece of metal. I need some LEVERAGE! I also feel that many bike multi tools come with a plethora of other useless hex keys, anyone else agree?

Originally Posted by dynaryder (Post 15209627)

Sorry,but I just proved myself right. Had a few links of SRAM PC1051 laying around. Broke one,then put it back together. Was a bit of a PITA,but then I was using the crappy Wrenchforce chain tool from my kit with the slightly bent pin.

Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 15210524)

You don't understand the problem. You can drive the pin back into the chain on SRAM or Shimano. But that doesn't prove anything. The pins on both sides of the chain are expanded during the assembly process to stand up to the side forces and thiner plates for chains used on systems with 8 gears or more...perhaps even 7. When you push out the pin, you get rid of that expansion and the pin won't hold. It may take a while but you are risking a chain breaking by using the old pin.