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ThunderThighs 02-13-13 12:56 PM

Help #stopbiketheft - Make Serial Numbers Mandatory On eBay Listings
 
I've started a petition asks eBay to require serial numbers in its listing for bike frames / bicycles (inspired by a similar one directed at eBay UK).

Could you help spread the word and sign it?

Note: This is a work-in-progress, and I've been getting lots of helpful feedback already. For frames without serial numbers (custom, illegible, Nashbar, etc.), ideally there'll be an option to denote this with an explanation.

xenologer 02-13-13 09:21 PM

I dont think listing serial numbers on ebay will stop bike theft; only bike sales (some of which may have been stolen).
And only if the seller bothers to Cross Check(a great bike btw, Surly) the serial number of a purchase against theft reports.
Ebay profits from transactions regardless, so why should they bother adding complexity?

Perhaps a more effective way to prevent bike theft is to do it directly? Start a petition to make bike theft a punishable crime; or if it is considered one already, petition law enforcement to, well, enforce.

-on second thought; the last thing I need is cops harrassing me for proof of ownership when I ride.
Maybe just start a petition for owners to not leave nice bikes out where they can get stolen.

Myosmith 02-13-13 09:56 PM

How do you confirm that the serial number listed on ebay is accurate? It's not like ebay is going to send someone out to flip your bike over to make sure you didn't lie. Transpose a couple numbers, change a letter "oops, must have been a typo" and the feature is worthless. Even less useful on something like Craig's List.

Nice idea but not practical and won't put a dent in bike theft or the sale of questionable bikes.

cplager 02-14-13 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Myosmith (Post 15271719)
How do you confirm that the serial number listed on ebay is accurate? It's not like ebay is going to send someone out to flip your bike over to make sure you didn't lie. Transpose a couple numbers, change a letter "oops, must have been a typo" and the feature is worthless. Even less useful on something like Craig's List.

Nice idea but not practical and won't put a dent in bike theft or the sale of questionable bikes.

That's actually a pretty easy problem to solve. If the seller lists the wrong number and the correct number shows up on some list, EBAY can fix the problem (i.e., return the bike to the original owner and refund the buyer).

Not all bikes have serial numbers, but that could probably be worked around as well.

xenologer 02-14-13 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by cplager (Post 15272481)
That's actually a pretty easy problem to solve. If the seller lists the wrong number and the correct number shows up on some list, EBAY can fix the problem (i.e., return the bike to the original owner and refund the buyer).

Not all bikes have serial numbers, but that could probably be worked around as well.

Pretty sure USPS wont refund shipping, so will ebay cover the cost? what about the cost of repacking the bike and sending it to the original owner? Does he end up having to pay a fee?(would that even be legal?) suppose he can't afford it?

I'm just not seeing any benefit ebay would gain from this; so I doubt they'd be interested.

Myosmith 02-14-13 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by cplager (Post 15272481)
That's actually a pretty easy problem to solve. If the seller lists the wrong number and the correct number shows up on some list, EBAY can fix the problem (i.e., return the bike to the original owner and refund the buyer).

Not all bikes have serial numbers, but that could probably be worked around as well.

Again, a nice idea, but that leaves the buyer to confirm the serial number after purchase and to search every possible data base in and around the seller's area (assuming the seller isn't smart enough to steal from outside of his region). Only if the buyer finds the serial number on a list and reports it as stolen could any action be taken. I don't know about your area, but around here law enforcement doesn't take bike theft very seriously and they don't even check their own databases much less make it easy or convenient for bike buyers. In this area there is no comprehensive database of missing bikes and, while I consider myself an honest buyer, I'm not going to spend hours checking all over the tri-state area after I buy a bike off Craig's List. My precautions are limited to not buying from anyone who won't establish their identity (show me a driver's license), sign a quick bill of sale (handwritten is fine), and let me take a snapshot of them with the bike with my cell phone. Some people have looked at me funny but once I explain that it is to assure that the bike isn't stolen, I've never had an honest seller refuse. I have had one disappear in a hurry without completing the transaction.

My daughter's bike went missing in the fall a couple of years ago and I immediately reported it with make, model, description, accessories list and serial number. I called back every few weeks to see if her bike had shown up. Nope . . . Nope . . . Nope. . . I gave up when the snow flew. The next spring I contacted law enforcement to see if they had any unclaimed bikes they wanted to donate to a regional bike co-op for an earn a bike program. They had a couple so I went back to the impound rack and what did I find? My daughter's bike, now rusty from sitting outside all winter. I found out that it had been recovered within a week after it went missing, found abandoned just a few days after I reported it. I had them pull the report and confirm the serial number. They let me take it but days later I was talking to an officer and asked why they hadn't checked a nice bike like that against missing bike reports, he changed the subject and told me something along the line of You know we didn't have to let you have it back. After 90 days unclaimed it becomes the property of the city.

Now realize that this isn't a big city where there are 100s of abandoned bikes, it is a rural community where they deal with maybe a couple dozen bikes a summer. The rack was between two city buildings not 50 feet from the front door of the police station and apparently the report and follow up phone calls I made never went past the front office.

I've also heard that in a neighboring larger city, in addition to watching eBay and Craig's List, many owners seeking to recover a stolen bike watch the local police auction as even if bikes are recovered they are not always reunited with the proper owner and end up on the auction block.

cplager 02-14-13 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by xenologer (Post 15272645)
Pretty sure USPS wont refund shipping, so will ebay cover the cost? what about the cost of repacking the bike and sending it to the original owner? Does he end up having to pay a fee?(would that even be legal?) suppose he can't afford it?

I'm just not seeing any benefit ebay would gain from this; so I doubt they'd be interested.

Ebay's guarantee (I believe but could be wrong) covers shipping in this case.

As far as if it's in Ebay's interest, no, it probably isn't. If enough people made a fuss over it, it could be. But I don't see that happening.

I support the original idea, but I don't see it going anywhere.


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