Automatio shifting bicycle
This just came to mind , a few years back they were advertizing a auto shift bicycle on TV the question is ,,,what happened to it? if anybody knows and did anyone here buy or own one?? just asking,,,,,
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I saw those too, dismissed them pretty quick -- especially after curiosity moved me to search them and read a fistful of bad reviews. Poor shift-point selection, always in too low a gear, etc. When I looked closer at the bikes themselves, they're little more than the Walmart Next Avalon softail, MSRP $119. While THAT BSO is slightly better than the rest at or near the price, I wouldn't consider one until after I was about 75-y-o......
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they never quite shift when you want them to.. and the parts QC is usually low grade.
Nu Vinci has the practical idea ..continuously variable ratio, the grip shifter is rotated till it feels right . it does no more shift than the earth jumps from winter to summer. |
They are low quality and hard to find parts for. Many bike shops here can't fix them. It's a lousy idea to start with.
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
(Post 15972154)
They are low quality and hard to find parts for. Many bike shops here can't fix them. It's a lousy idea to start with.
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They are a solution for which there is no problem.
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What happened to them is they went out of business. It didn't take that long either. Probably because as others have said, it was a bad implementation. I actually think it's a good idea for a small niche customer but the implementation of this idea was quite poor. Hard to sink money into a business when not many people are going to buy it.
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Landrider? Copyright in 2008 and there is no wiki article.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 15972099)
Nu Vinci has the practical idea ..continuously variable ratio, the grip shifter is rotated till it feels right .
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Things like that come and go for a variety of reasons; poor execution, lack of repair parts, lack of market. Even the big boys miss the mark. Anybody remember the Shimano Coasting system? How about Shimano FFS (Front Freewheel System). I have examples of both in my collection. Neither one was around for very long. Shaft drive is another one that comes around every decade or so, then quietly goes away.
Aaron :) |
Automatic transmissions have become popular with cars because it's easy for a car to sense its engine load, speed, and figure out which gear is the most optimal. But a bicycle engine is the rider, and the rider knows best which gear to select, not the bike. I'd like to see a continuous variable transmission on bikes. That way, you can put out a constant force no matter the terrain.
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when I saw the commercials I thought it was a good idea, I also knew i'd never own one thought they'd be expensive as hell! I did see one on one of the MS tour training rides ,It looked alright???
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
(Post 15972868)
Things like that come and go for a variety of reasons; poor execution, lack of repair parts, lack of market. Even the big boys miss the mark. Anybody remember the Shimano Coasting system? How about Shimano FFS (Front Freewheel System). I have examples of both in my collection. Neither one was around for very long. Shaft drive is another one that comes around every decade or so, then quietly goes away.
I've also had the opportunity to work professionally on a couple of Landrider bicycles. I couldn't see much benefit in them either. |
Originally Posted by no1mad
(Post 15972510)
Landrider? Copyright in 2008 and there is no wiki article.
Originally Posted by wahoonc
(Post 15972868)
How about Shimano FFS (Front Freewheel System).
Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 15973453)
A fellow near St Louis had a production run made of 2-wheel drive bicycles. They linked the wheels with a flexible drive shaft and bevel gears. I don't know what it was supposed to be good for - I thought it was a solution seeking a problem.
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It will be back again as soon as they sponsor a racing team and manage to convince the wanna bees that it will make them as fast as drug popping, 140lb racers...
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
(Post 15973453)
A fellow near St Louis had a production run made of 2-wheel drive bicycles. They linked the wheels with a flexible drive shaft and bevel gears. I don't know what it was supposed to be good for - I thought it was a solution seeking a problem.
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Rode One...
My older brother bought one a few years ago, and never rode it. Ever. I saw it in his storage shed with the cardboard tube wrappings still in place. He also bought the water bottle, light and pump kit. I asked if he'd like me to sell it for him.
So, last summer, I brought it home, cleaned and lubricated it, and rode it for about 8 miles. Upshifting is awkward and too early for my power band. Downshifting is clunky. There's a manual shifter for the front chainrings which are H and L range. The quality of the components is truly bottom range. The bike is heavy, too. The only benefits that I could see would be: (1) Relative ease of use for someone who finds the concept of shifting intimidating (2) Comfort styling The negatives: (1) Made for low-wattage riders (2) Heavy I assembled all of the accessories, took good quality photos, and sold it within a week for $250, giving my brother the money. He lost about half on the original purchase, from which he received no benefit. I would NEVER ride one, unless it came along with a beach rental or somesuch... PG |
PS: I kept the neat (heavy) multitool, stamped LandRider, though. Hex wrenches and two screwdrivers.
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Originally Posted by nd2010
(Post 15973291)
Automatic transmissions have become popular with cars because it's easy for a car to sense its engine load, speed, and figure out which gear is the most optimal. But a bicycle engine is the rider, and the rider knows best which gear to select, not the bike. I'd like to see a continuous variable transmission on bikes. That way, you can put out a constant force no matter the terrain.
Take the auto 4WD stuff for instance. It senses slip and applies the power to the back wheels for traction. It senses slip? Isn't the purpose of 4WD to eliminate slip? If it senses slip, slip has already happened. The auto 4WD vehicle is reacting to an even that has already happened. Give me a lever to pull a transfer case into 4WD when I as the driver can see it is slippery before my car slips please. I despise automatic stuff in the car, I imagine I would really despise automatic stuff on a bike. |
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