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Old 01-06-14, 06:25 AM
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Does this exist- drop handlebars in "pursuit bullhorn"-style?

Hey guys.
I've been looking for something rather specific. You know how pursuit bullhorns have a downwards bend after coming off the stem, before they turn forward, right? Does this feature exist on any drop bars?
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Track bars usually drop from the clamp area like that, e.g.



See the Soma store for examples of different track bar styles.
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Look for "pista" bars": https://www.google.com/search?q=pist...ient=firefox-a
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Pursuit, the Race on the velodrome... you are starting on the opposite side of the track from your opponent.
and are trying to catch each other ..

it's a different event from the match-sprint where you are starting right next to your opponent.

the yellow one is sprint type ..

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Boy, that escalated quickly...!

...well, re: the handlebars- It's close, but not quite what I'm looking for. Those track bars seem to gradually curve downwards AND forwards into the drops, making the horizontal positions unviable.

This is the kind of geometry I'm after, though instead of bending upwards at the ends I want it to bend downwards into regular drops.

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Just put those on backwards. Probably gonna be as close as you can get. watch your knees!

or get a 160mm stem, or cut off the ends or...
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Likewise edited for content .

I suspect Pikka Bird is in the street fixie set and not a track competitor..

does it exist, Not unless you make it yourself.

A niche market of One.. good luck with that.

you could hire a company to make them .

minimum batch size to recover set-up costs will be .. Many.

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Maybe it's time to reveal the purpose of my inquiry... I am by no means a "fixie" kinda guy. I just happen to like the look of that particular kind of handlebar geometry. I think it gives the bike a sort of "mean stance", you know. Anyways, I also happen to like STI levers, and have bought an Ultegra 6700 set. Now, STI levers looke positively horrid on bullhorns no matter how you try to get around it, so was almost going to scrap the idea of trying to fit my levers onto my pursuit bars. But then an idea struck me: Looking at the bars upside down I figured if the bullhorns pointed downwards I could fit the levers basically like they are traditionally meant to be installed, and the "hoods" position would pretty much be the same as the upwarsd-pointing horns, right?

So then my otions were as follows:

1) Put my alloy bars into a pipe bender and try to make a bend that goes the other way. I cut off the existing upwards bends and started ona straight piece (partially to make it easier, but mostly because at the existing distance I think they were just reaching too far forwards). It was a long shot, and they predictably snapped. So that option was off the list.

2) Find that non-existing thing I was asking about. I guess that's off the list too.

3) Get new bars, cut the tip of the horn, rotate 180 degrees and get some pro to weld them back on. If I can find the right guy then this is my go-to solution for now.

4) Just get regular drop handlebars and cut them like ye olde flip/chop bullhorns, but without the "flip" part. This will lose that low-slung meanness that I was going for.

In case anyone is interested, and/or wanted to give advice/ridicule, the parts that are going into the build are these:
-1988 Bottecchia frame (Columbus SL tubes, eaxctly like this one, except without the chrome fork)
-Shimano 105 5700 front and rear derailleurs
-Fulcrum Racing 5 wheelset with Michelin Pro 4 tyres and Conti tubes
-Ultegra 6700 levers and casette
-Shimano 600 crankset
-Dura-Ace 7901 chain
-Unbranded "aero" seatpost that I resuscitated (had deep gouges and scratches all over) and modified the clamping nut, with a new Avenue saddle perched on top.
-3ttt quill stem that I don't know the name of, but it's one of those that don't have that odd "hood" on it. The logo was partially scraped off, so I finished the job and it is now debadged completely.
-...and then of course whichever handlebars I end up going with.

An unholy truce between old and new, handpicked for my admittedly specific sense of aesthetics, balanced with average-to-superb quality. Does anything seem "off" about any of this?
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what about bullhorn bars with
tt levers and
bar end shifters
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Honestly, yeah, the whole idea seems "off".

Mainly, I'm having a hard time imagining how you fit this bike that having brifters out at the end of pursuit bars would make sense. It makes sense on a Tern Verge X30h, geometrically speaking, but not on that Bottecchia. Have you run the numbers or have a good sense of if it's going to fit such that the levers come to hand?

Anyway, having a bar custom fab'ed ain't gonna be cheap, and I wonder if a tri bike bar setup might do better, or even a JTek aero brake + barcon shifter in the ends of a regular pursuit bar?



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I appreciate the replies, guys. However, it seems like you didn't read all of it (and I don't blame you, that got long winded, so I don't mean to be ungrateful or rude). The horns would point down, not up, so the levers would sit exactly like they would on regular drop bars. Yes, I've measured and pondered, I've done a mockup on the bullhorns upside down on the stem, fitted to the bike and all. It works very well and is just what I want/need.

Other than that, I can't stand the look of bar and shifters. To me it looks like a mutated nipple, or an erection that's not really happening.
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Originally Posted by Pikka Bird View Post
Other than that, I can't stand the look of bar and shifters. To me it looks like ... an erection that's not really happening.
then you need a rapid rise derailleur
and then riding in big gears is like viagra
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then you need a rapid rise derailleur
and then riding in big gears is like viagra
Ha ha!

...why did those fall out of favour, though? The idea seemed very solid.
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Originally Posted by Pikka Bird View Post
Ha ha!

...why did those fall out of favour, though? The idea seemed very solid.

people didnt like em
i dont know why either
everyone called them rapid demise
a play on the name rapid rise
and i guess shimano just couldnt convince people they were cool

i liked them
i found their function for be as good as normal shimano derailleurs
which is to say
almost always excellent
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Bike Friday has a variation of their 2T ended H bar to put a road Brifter on the front end of ..

some bend down there..

the sides are welded onto the cross bar ,
since the bikes they sell are all fold up to travel, packed into a suitcase

the bars are 4 pieces that come apart to be packable. Produced in Eugene Oregon.

sort of like Chaadsters Bull horn.. but flipped so the Hoods are available..
for hand rests.
no drop coming out of the stem



too bad the OP has such a obsession about Image,
functionality is a more practical criteria..

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Another option is getting some MTB riser bars, put 'em on upside down, and put some Origin8 Drop Bar Ends on there. Chop of the excess with a hacksaw, et voila!
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Rapid rise for racing made the force from the cable upshift to a harder gear, to go faster,

which is the point in Racing ... top spot on the podium.
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I wish Rapid Rise caught on also. I hate trying to explain shifting to new riders - "Your left thumb gives you a higher gear but your right thumb gives you a lower gear"

Rapid Rise make the thumbs higher gears on both sides.
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Originally Posted by Pikka Bird View Post
The horns would point down, not up, so the levers would sit exactly like they would on regular drop bars.
I don't understand how that could possibly be true.
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I don't understand how that could possibly be true.
You know how you can make (and used to make) bullhorns by cutting the drops off regular drop handlebars and flipping them upside down? That upwards bend that bullhorns have come from that, so if that bend went down, how can that NOT "possibly be true", when it's 100% exactly the same? edit: Or explained another way- imagine a regular road bike with STI levers. Now imagine the drops being cut off right under the place where the levers are clamped to the bars. The levers' hoods will now be the same position as you have with bullhorns.

Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
too bad the OP has such a obsession about Image,
functionality is a more practical criteria..
Thanks for the in-depth analysis of my motivations. However, I thought I already did explain exactly why this IS a matter of function. The geometry right at the stem is an aesthetics thing that I am just asking a simple question about. This aesthetic is not the sole basis for my existence, and if there's no way to get at it then I shall attempt to not fly into a rage and willfully crash myself into a truck. The functional part is already set in stone and will be exactly as I've explained a couple of times already. I am simply asking because I figured it'd be nice to get exactly what I'd prefer, and would hate to just go for what I know is out there only to realize later that the thing I was dreaming of actually DID exist. Also, I'm not afraid to try some things out, which I really hope you're not opposed to in principle.

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I didn't get called into the Principal's office too often , bigger schools had deans of students ..

I want it to bend downwards into regular drops.
then regular drops it is.. they do that..

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^But they don't have that little flourish. Listen, it was just a simple question and it's turning into a bit of a struggle. I guess "no, I don't think I've seen such a thing, sorry" won't cut it?
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I don't understand how that could possibly be true.
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You know how you can make (and used to make) bullhorns by cutting the drops off regular drop handlebars and flipping them upside down? That upwards bend that bullhorns have come from that, so if that bend went down, how can that NOT "possibly be true", when it's 100% exactly the same? edit: Or explained another way- imagine a regular road bike with STI levers. Now imagine the drops being cut off right under the place where the levers are clamped to the bars. The levers' hoods will now be the same position as you have with bullhorns.
Listen, obviously the pursuit bars you posted a pic of in post #5 as an example of the bar shape you're after drop down from the clamp area before they bend forward for their reach, so even if the upturned ends bent downwards as you wish instead, the shifters would be in a *much* lower position than they would on any drop bar. Not only that, the reach on pursuit bars, though there is a range, is *much* further from the clamp than any drop bar. Look at the specs, and you'll see drop bar reach in the 79-85mm range, and pursuit bars reaching 138-180mm. That's why it cannot possibly be true the levers are in the same position as they are on drop bars.

You may be able, depending on how the frame fits, be able to get a stem with enough quill length to raise the bars to the right height and stubby enough (i.e. short extension) to bring the bars back and get the hoods in the same position, but aside from being utterly academic, there's also the question of "why bother?" when you have the same position available if you cut the drops off a drop bar just below the shifter?

I dunno, man, and I wanna help you out here, but all of this is just not adding up to make any sense to me, and I can't help but think there are easier ways to go about this. I mean, your frame has down tube shifter braze-ons, so why not just use those shifters, and put aero brake levers in the ends of your favorite style pursuit bar, like this:

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As fietsbob suggested, you're not going to get the bar you're imagining without shelling out a lot of clams for a custom job, and I'm betting it's going to be more than you're willing spend, so my suggestion would be to start considering the available options for the best compromise between dream and reality.
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-3ttt quill stem that I don't know the name of, but it's one of those that don't have that odd "hood" on it. The logo was partially scraped off, so I finished the job and it is now debadged completely.
-...and then of course whichever handlebars I end up going with.
I'm trying to understand what you're going for, and I have a hard time understanding why you wouldn't just combine a "normal" drop handlebar with a steeply angled "track" stem. Certainly easier and cheaper than buying or building something custom.

What I'm thinking is this:



plus this:

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