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Old 01-06-14, 10:32 PM
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This just sucks!!!

I posted this in my regional forum but it's worth posting here as well.

I just read on my FB feed that a local rider flatted today and had problems with his CO2 inflator. He see two guys in team kits heading up the climb. Upon asking for some air (he noticed that one had a mini-pump on his frame), he's answered with, "I'm on a long Strava segment" as the two guys ride off leaving him stranded. What the heck?! It's good the guy with the flat wasn't sitting there with a bleeding head injury or a heart attack. Strava aside, I can see some selfish idiots claiming they're on a training interval or some other worthless task. This world sucks if this is where we're headed. BTW, I use Strava but I'm always willing to stop and help or just talk to people.
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Old 01-06-14, 11:44 PM
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co2 sucks
most mini pumps suck
get a topeak road morph
dont use junk equipment that forces you to bug others for help
problem solved

what's a strava?

whining on useless FB feeds? - I agree This world sucks if this is where we're headed.

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Old 01-06-14, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by xenologer View Post
co2 sucks
most mini pumps suck
get a topeak road morph
dont use junk equipment that forces you to bug others for help
yeah, because this is the problem here....
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Old 01-07-14, 12:00 AM
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yeah, because this is the problem here....
agreed, people just have no sense of personal responsibility
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Old 01-07-14, 06:39 AM
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Agree, Generally...

...that relying on a CO2 inflator is a poor strategy (for a number of reasons).

And, it's not too cool that the other riders left the fool helpless. Double fail. I would've stopped to inflate his tire, and then school him on carrying a reliable pump. But that's just me...I'm not out to gather data about [my] riding a bike. I've been riding so long that I no longer need data.
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Originally Posted by bikeme View Post
I posted this in my regional forum but it's worth posting here as well.

I just read on my FB feed that a local rider flatted today and had problems with his CO2 inflator. He see two guys in team kits heading up the climb. Upon asking for some air (he noticed that one had a mini-pump on his frame), he's answered with, "I'm on a long Strava segment" as the two guys ride off leaving him stranded. What the heck?! It's good the guy with the flat wasn't sitting there with a bleeding head injury or a heart attack. Strava aside, I can see some selfish idiots claiming they're on a training interval or some other worthless task. This world sucks if this is where we're headed. BTW, I use Strava but I'm always willing to stop and help or just talk to people.
Very Silly adding the bleeding head part.

It was just a flat tire.

It was not in any way an emergency.
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
...that relying on a CO2 inflator is a poor strategy (for a number of reasons).
While that may be true for a good deal of you it may not be for some of us. In my position a good working CO2 inflator is a must. You see having CHF (congestive heart failure) with an EF (ejection fraction, amount of blood pumped from LF on each contraction) of 20% I don't have the power to use a mini pump in the field, and ride the rest of the way. Not a problem back in the shop where a good floor pump works well. So please don't just judge others by a simple look see.
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Originally Posted by DowneasTTer View Post
While that may be true for a good deal of you it may not be for some of us. In my position a good working CO2 inflator is a must. You see having CHF (congestive heart failure) with an EF (ejection fraction, amount of blood pumped from LF on each contraction) of 20% I don't have the power to use a mini pump in the field, and ride the rest of the way. Not a problem back in the shop where a good floor pump works well. So please don't just judge others by a simple look see.
Your situation would be the exception, DowneasTTer. Please accept my apology for jumping to the general case without considering the reasons why the rider in the story didn't have a hand pump.

In addition to CO2 inflation, what special steps must you take for added safety/security on your rides?
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
In addition to CO2 inflation, what special steps must you take for added safety/security on your rides?
No other steps really just ride slower than I used to and enjoy the scenery. In fact I just got back in the saddle the other day as I now sport a brand new shiny ICD and needed to be off the bike for the past 4 weeks due to the surgery. It messed up my 2013 mileage by not having any bike time during Dec. Oh well. Ride on
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Other riders had no obligation to help, IMO.

Show personal responsibility by being prepared to handle foreseeable and common eventualities like flats. Pump, spare tube, stick-on patches, something to boot the tire, cell phone. There are good minipumps available. Topeak Race Rocket, and Lezyne Road Drive are two. Both are lightweight and have hoses.
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Other riders had no obligation to help, IMO.

While that's true, there is that little thing in human nature called "common courtesy"…. however it is far from COMMON now a days. Enjoy your ride.
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I agree this doesn't seem to be big deal. Not only because a flat is a low-grade emergency in most situations, but because there are other conditions we don't know about, such as where this happened. If it was a heavily trafficked route, or aid was a short walk away...things like that would make a lot of difference.

Sure, it would have been nice if the guys stopped to help, and probably in most situations, most riders would. It's ridiculous to jump to the conclusion they wouldn't have helped if there was a physical injury, and even more so to suggest that Strava is causing the downfall of western civilization; I thought big cities, clocks, rock n roll, and TV did that already.
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I think that courtesy is sort of a sliding scale.

Most times I'd stop and let the fellow borrow my pump. If I was on a personal best run, probably not. I'm all for helping another rider out, but I'm not willing to turn their problems into my problems.
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It's ridiculous to jump to the conclusion they wouldn't have helped if there was a physical injury, and even more so to suggest that Strava is causing the downfall of western civilization; I thought big cities, clocks, rock n roll, and TV did that already.
So there you go. Strava is just a fancy clock. Western civilization is doomed.
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I agree this doesn't seem to be big deal. Not only because a flat is a low-grade emergency in most situations, but because there are other conditions we don't know about, such as where this happened. If it was a heavily trafficked route, or aid was a short walk away...things like that would make a lot of difference.

Sure, it would have been nice if the guys stopped to help, and probably in most situations, most riders would. It's ridiculous to jump to the conclusion they wouldn't have helped if there was a physical injury, and even more so to suggest that Strava is causing the downfall of western civilization; I thought big cities, clocks, rock n roll, and TV did that already.
A Flat on a bike in not an emergency.
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I agree about it less being about emergency, and more about a lack of common courtesy. Simple little gestures like stopping to help even a simple problem are the kinds of things that have disappeared from the world. The guy could try his stupid strava segment tomorrow again.

And to the guy who said you probably wouldn't stop if you had a personal best going...well, what if you saw a car with a flat tire and a little old lady standing next to it on the side of the highway, but you were making great time on your 75 mile trip from home to your vacation destination. Do you say "oh well I'm making great time I can't stop!" Are you going to pull over and tell her she should have a spare and a can of fix-a-flat in her trunk?

Not every situation can be forseen, that's why people should be able to rely on the kindness of the people around them for help.

Guess I hope I don't run across most of you if I'm out and have an issue.
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I know that type quite well, I ussually ride the Beach trails where I live and try to strike up conversations w other riders and or do a little wave and so far they all have been total ******bags, I guess this is the bike culture (shrugging) Ill just ride alone and enjoy the views.

Originally Posted by bikeme View Post
I posted this in my regional forum but it's worth posting here as well.

I just read on my FB feed that a local rider flatted today and had problems with his CO2 inflator. He see two guys in team kits heading up the climb. Upon asking for some air (he noticed that one had a mini-pump on his frame), he's answered with, "I'm on a long Strava segment" as the two guys ride off leaving him stranded. What the heck?! It's good the guy with the flat wasn't sitting there with a bleeding head injury or a heart attack. Strava aside, I can see some selfish idiots claiming they're on a training interval or some other worthless task. This world sucks if this is where we're headed. BTW, I use Strava but I'm always willing to stop and help or just talk to people.
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I know that type quite well, I ussually ride the Beach trails where I live and try to strike up conversations w other riders and or do a little wave and so far they all have been total ******bags, I guess this is the bike culture (shrugging) Ill just ride alone and enjoy the views.
I wouldn't say this is totally the biking culture. Some people are just jerks. My advice, if you see any riders dressed the part, just ignore them. I've found that fully kitted people hammering are only interested in their own ride. I'll wave back if waved to, but have learned not to bother making the first gesture. And yes, the other riders had no obligation to stop, but it just shows they had bad character in not stopping.
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That's the roadie culture, mountain bikers are usually not so rude.
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That's the roadie culture, mountain bikers are usually not so rude.
And for a long time just remember some of the scenes in "Breaking Away"
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I'd have stopped and helped, if it improves the flavor of this thread any.

Training rides are a poor excuse. There's always another day. Show some solidarity.

I would also have filled him in on the virtues of having a good set of things to fix the flax. Not everyone "gets" it.

I've made it a point to stop and help anyone with bike problems. It helps the culture. Not long ago I stood about 20 minutes waiting for another cyclist I saw on base to get to the gate because I saw him struggling and thought he had mechanical issues (I was with traffic and he was salmoning up the sidewalk - this was quittin' time so there was no way I was getting to the sidewalk to ask him right away). Generally this is a good thing.

That said, last time I saw a guy with a flat, he was walking it (not far from my house, I was on foot and not equipped). I wanted to ask if he had anything to fix it with (failing that, offering to get my tools if he had far to go) but he took my gaze as an insult. Didn't pan out there.

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a little devils advocacy on the whole road bike culture thing the guys that take it seriously are all about the suffering and their best times and getting an even better time. majority of the time I also ride kitted up. I am yet to have any other bicyclist of any sort stop to offer me help on the times I have been broken down roadie or not.
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I've been helped plenty of times by roadies and I've had other cyclists not in cycling kits ride right by me. I don't think you can generalize that one is more helpful than the other. If someone is willing to stop and help, they'll usually ask if you need anything when they approach you.
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dont use junk equipment that forces you to bug others for help
problem solved
What special information do you have access to that let you judge the nature of the equipment that rider was using?
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And to the guy who said you probably wouldn't stop if you had a personal best going...well, what if you saw a car with a flat tire and a little old lady standing next to it on the side of the highway, but you were making great time on your 75 mile trip from home to your vacation destination. Do you say "oh well I'm making great time I can't stop!" Are you going to pull over and tell her she should have a spare and a can of fix-a-flat in her trunk?
First you quoted me out of context then you completely changed the situation to prove your point.
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