I see some guys bouncing up and down a lot when they're out of the saddle. Some guys are bobbing their upper body when they're really straining, sometimes left and right as well. I think it would be better for them to have any extra weight on the bike as opposed to their bodies.
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Originally Posted by Don in Austin
(Post 16596087)
If you have to move bike and rider from elevation "A" up to elevation "B" you are moving total of weight of bike, rider and accessories from "A"a to "B." The total is all that matters.
If you need to accelerate from speed "A" to speed "B" you need to accelerate the sum of bike, rider and accessories from "A" to "B." But here we have an additional factor in that weight at the circumference of the wheel is moving at 2 x road speed, so rim and tire weight have a greater influence on acceleration and deceleration. This makes no difference at a steady speed fighting a head wind nor on a long steady climb, but there is a small difference in accelerating. To the OP: you've asked the question, it's been answered. Sorry you don't seem to like the answer, but fortunately science doesn't care whether you like it or not.
Originally Posted by velonista
(Post 16596016)
For me, the video answered the question very scientifically. The conclusion presented in the video is exactly what's also been said by other posters. It's not bike weight OR rider weight. It's both. At least, that's what I took away from it.
The video also suggested that if you must drop weight (with the aim of decreasing the amount of effort you'll expend over a given distance for a given length of time) then losing body weight is a wiser (economically-wiser) choice - in the broader scheme of things. |
Originally Posted by gregf83
(Post 16580284)
Because when you're racing you can easily shed unnecessary items like bike pumps, extra water etc so your bike will be light when it counts. If you're just training and not racing then the weight doesn't matter. As others have said, it doesn't matter where you carry the extra weight, the effect will be the same.
I can see the same advantage riding. Shed the extra weight and now you feel better on that hill. |
Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 16596309)
I see some guys bouncing up and down a lot when they're out of the saddle. Some guys are bobbing their upper body when they're really straining, sometimes left and right as well. I think it would be better for them to have any extra weight on the bike as opposed to their bodies.
If nothing else think 100 extra pounds on your body and what it would do to you, heck even if you are just sitting on a stationary trained and not pedaling. |
Body weight and bike weight both matter, but not equally.
If you take stuff off the bike and put it on your body (e.g., taking your tire kit from a seat bag to your jersey pocket), the total weight will be the same, but the weight moved from the bike to your body will go from being unsprung dead weight to sprung live weight that you can move around as you ride. Within reason, this will make the bike more maneuverable and ride better. It will probably subjectively feel more "alive" under you and easier to handle. But on the downside, you will now have this extra weight up higher and on your body where it may be uncomfortable or even dangerous. (The extreme of this would be to take 40-lbs of camping gear and move it from panniers to an expedition-style backpack on your back.) Most non-touring cyclists balance these two factors and do whatever is convenient - they'll put their tire kit, tools, water, etc. on the bike, and stuff a windbreaker, snacks, etc. in their jersey. I think what is comfortable and convenient trumps the physics here. Then there is the donut you put in your stomach. This also adds to the total weight, but extra weight you carry on your body is also extra weight you carry around all day long which increases muscle mass - a unfit 300-lb person will probably have much more muscle mass than a fit 150-lb person. That doesn't mean the 300-lb person will climb as well as the 150-lb person, but it does mean that being 20-lb overweight is better from a bike performance standpoint than putting 20-lbs of lead in you seatbag. (Obviously, the reverse is true with respect to one's health.) One thing about ultra-light bikes and gear. They may be more expensive and people probably obsess too much about bike weight, but a 1-lb lighter bike is a a pure win - there is no downside (other than cost). - Mark |
Originally Posted by markjenn
(Post 16599077)
Body weight and bike weight both matter, but not equally.
If you take stuff off the bike and put it on your body (e.g., taking your tire kit from a seat bag to your jersey pocket), the total weight will be the same, but the weight moved from the bike to your body will go from being unsprung dead weight to sprung live weight that you can move around as you ride. Within reason, this will make the bike more maneuverable and ride better. It will probably subjectively feel more "alive" under you and easier to handle. But on the downside, you will now have this extra weight up higher and on your body where it may be uncomfortable or even dangerous. (The extreme of this would be to take 40-lbs of camping gear and move it from panniers to an expedition-style backpack on your back.) Most non-touring cyclists balance these two factors and do whatever is convenient - they'll put their tire kit, tools, water, etc. on the bike, and stuff a windbreaker, snacks, etc. in their jersey. I think what is comfortable and convenient trumps the physics here. Then there is the donut you put in your stomach. This also adds to the total weight, but extra weight you carry on your body is also extra weight you carry around all day long which increases muscle mass - a unfit 300-lb person will probably have much more muscle mass than a fit 150-lb person. That doesn't mean the 300-lb person will climb as well as the 150-lb person, but it does mean that being 20-lb overweight is better from a bike performance standpoint than putting 20-lbs of lead in you seatbag. (Obviously, the reverse is true with respect to one's health.) One thing about ultra-light bikes and gear. They may be more expensive and people probably obsess too much about bike weight, but a 1-lb lighter bike is a a pure win - there is no downside (other than cost). - Mark |
One thing about stashing "stuff" on the bike is that I don't haul it up & down with my body/clothing weight each & every time I get out of the saddle as if it was in my jersey pocket. A few energy bars& gels, OK. Add your flats-kit, a rain jacket and a water bottle or two and I'm not hauling that up/down every time I stretch, accelerate or climb out of the saddle. Easy enough to fit the proper size seatpack for a ride & stash what's needed. I'm not hauling a load of bottles from the team car to my pampered leader for a minute or two, it's my tired old back in less dramatic situations for hours on end.
-Bandera |
full touring load for a 6 month trip with some overpacking I think then 23 years ago,
the bike and kit weighed more than I did. |
Bike weight makes huge difference just went from steel to carbon massive change, climbing uphill is a breeze now, on the steel one I thought I'll get a heart attack lol
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