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Rowan 03-24-05 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by operator
Obviously everything revolves around money. No money means no beer, girls, sex, roof, bikes, girls.

You have a point there. But it depends on HOW MUCH beer, girls, sex, roof, bikes and girls you want.

Let's see, eliminate beer, girls and sex, and substitute tent for roof, and you've got yourself a happy touring cyclist. :D

Rowan 03-24-05 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by slvoid
I was very very stress free and happy.
SO that's not a good thing right?

But was it all the money that made you stress free and happy? What would have happened if the money was half or a quarter of what it was?

Doctor Morbius 03-24-05 08:01 PM

The real question about money vs career is this ...

Are you working for a living? Or are you dying for a living?

A couple of the higher paying jobs I had in the IT business were so stressful that had I stayed on course I would probably already have had a heart attack by now. My blood pressure was through the roof and I was definitely headed toward an early grave. I'd rather get by on less moolah and have my health.

Just my $0.02.

Edit: if I were to win a lottery tomorrow I'd never entertain the idea of working for "the man" again! No friggin' way.

Rowan 03-24-05 08:48 PM

I suppose I deserve the gender confusion because of my previous gaffe.

But just to make sure, Mert old boy, I'm male.

It's only because some idiot actress named her baby girl Rowan that this gender confusion has emerged. Never had it before.

By the way, boredom can kill any job, money or not. It usually results in what's called here in Australia, a "seachange". Done it myself. Have a look at all the touring cyclists who have stepped outside the restrictive walls of wealth to see the world.

operator 03-24-05 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Rowan
You have a point there. But it depends on HOW MUCH beer, girls, sex, roof, bikes and girls you want.

Let's see, eliminate beer, girls and sex, and substitute tent for roof, and you've got yourself a happy touring cyclist. :D

BLASPHEMY!!!

Rowan 03-24-05 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by MERTON
ain't nothing restrictive bout wealth, old man.

you just don't know how to handle it.

And you do? Hmmmm.... entertaining thought.

slvoid 03-24-05 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by Rowan
But was it all the money that made you stress free and happy? What would have happened if the money was half or a quarter of what it was?

Honestly, I'm surprised they paid me at all. It was one of those, "hey we have money left over on our budget and if we don't use it we lose it, let's hire someone to sit around" government deals.
I would've done it for half the price. For the amount of work involved and the level of fun, I would've done it for half the price. But since they offered me so much, I'm no idiot, I didn't turn it down.

slvoid 03-24-05 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by Rowan
Let's see, eliminate beer, girls and sex

Good lord... that's brutal...

slvoid 03-24-05 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by lauren
Even if I end up spending 60 hours in the lab, it's fun and not really work. And I suck so bad at biking it's not like I could get any worse.

Exactly my point. I LIKED what I did and they paid me a lot more to do nothing than they would someone to do something for 8 hours a day. Of course that's very hard for some people to understand.

Of course you could always lose your sense of balance.. that would probably suck worse.

christie133 03-24-05 11:34 PM

Ach. I hate this debate because I played it out for so long. Couriered for 8 long years and loved most of it. It really does change the kind of worker you are. One of my old messenger friends gave some funny advice to a new messenger once. He said, "you better decide today whether or not you like this job. If you do, should quit immediately." Funny how many of my friends left couriering for "real" jobs, then went back to couriering. I left and don't think I'll go back because I grew to hate, I mean really really hate envelopes.

Incidentally, I made more as a courier 5 years ago than I do now as a teacher. Of course, now I get my summers off...

slvoid 03-24-05 11:37 PM

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Rowan 03-24-05 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by slvoid
Honestly, I'm surprised they paid me at all. It was one of those, "hey we have money left over on our budget and if we don't use it we lose it, let's hire someone to sit around" government deals.
I would've done it for half the price. For the amount of work involved and the level of fun, I would've done it for half the price. But since they offered me so much, I'm no idiot, I didn't turn it down.

Fair enough <still shakes head in amazement then realises: Government money!>

H23 03-25-05 11:18 AM

[QUOTE=lauren]

Originally Posted by slvoid
I was very very stress free and happy.QUOTE]
...
Even if I end up spending 60 hours in the lab, it's fun and not really work...


Be careful, you may get what you wish for!

imho, its better to focus on efficiency and getting things done than to spend huge amounts of time on stuff. I learned that the hard way in grad school. Better to save your energy for an occasional 80 hour crunch mode and work the balance of the time at an easy sustainable rate like 40-50 hr/week.

Dahon.Steve 03-25-05 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by slvoid
Not everyone sees a stressful 8-6, 51 week, $350,000/yr job as the end all to happiness.
Not everyone sees a dangerous, 5 days a week riding through dense traffic making $35,000 a year if you're lucky as the end all to happiness.
But if someone's paying double that for 20 hours of work a week while you can pretty much sit on your ass (or saddle) and do whatever you want, I'm sure most people here would gladly take that over the 35k/yr job.

I doubt messengers even make 35K. In fact, a job that pays 25K and provides health insurance and a 401K is better off in the end. I look at those poor messengers during this past winter when the temperatures were below zero degrees and really felt sorry for those guys.

Also keep in mind that's he's still paying for his education and throwing it out the door!

MKRG 03-25-05 12:53 PM


No money means no beer, girls, sex, roof, bikes, girls.
Tis true.

Laggard 03-25-05 12:56 PM

Money's all that matters.

pitboss 03-25-05 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by christie133
Incidentally, I made more as a courier 5 years ago than I do now as a teacher. Of course, now I get my summers off...

I am heading that way myself. Woo hoo!


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