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Old 06-19-14, 11:43 AM
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Need Advice for Bike Safety

I am a new student in the US. I noticed that a lot of bikes were left with only a tire locked on a post. Therefore, I usually locked my bike on the water pipe outside my apartment. I put a U-lock between the water pipe and my bike frame. However, after I left my apartment for a week, it was gone!

Now I have got a new bike, which is an impressive red Giant. I was really worried that it will be stolen again. Can anyone help me by telling me what else I can do to keep my bike safe in that terrible area. Thanks a lot.
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Old 06-19-14, 01:14 PM
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Hope to hear from you very soon. I hope this time it will not be stolen. I love my bike!
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Old 06-19-14, 01:27 PM
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1. Some property owners and utility companies don't take kindly to bikes being locked to their property and will remove them.

2. In most cities it's almost impossible to expect a decent bicycle locked outdoors for a week to be there at the end of the week. I guess if I had to do it I'd get about 4 Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit or Legend locks. Maybe 3 chains and a U-lock. Of course I could replace any of my bikes with used CL finds for the cost of that lock investment, so maybe I wouldn't bother.

In summary, you really gotta keep your bike inside somewhere, somehow.
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Old 06-19-14, 01:30 PM
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Old 06-19-14, 04:41 PM
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Any lock can be cracked given time and tools.
Make your bike less attractive than others and harder to steal.
Use a shackle and cable.
Don't abandon your bike outside for days.
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Old 06-19-14, 05:12 PM
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You left it in one place too long , people had time to go and get tools ..

.... bring it inside, and lock the door behind you.
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Investing in a tough, quality lock (or better yet, locks) is well worth the price. As stated above, no lock is 100% theft-proof, so the best thing to do is to store your bike inside if possible. Failing that, be sure to use a couple of strong locks to secure the frame and both wheels to something sturdy. It's preferable to lock up to an actual bike rack instead of someone's utility pipes. It's possible that the owner of the property to which those pipes belonged might have had your bike removed. Best of luck to you, in any case.
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Old 06-19-14, 05:36 PM
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If the location is your apartment bring your bike inside. Locks only delay the time a thief can get to your bike. It's best to keep your bike inside your apartment.
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Old 06-19-14, 06:40 PM
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This might help disguise it.

How To Plastidip Your Bike - YouTube

peel it off if you don't like it.
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Old 09-06-14, 07:57 AM
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Stolen From Work

Originally Posted by bickeylikey View Post
I am a new student in the US. I noticed that a lot of bikes were left with only a tire locked on a post. Therefore, I usually locked my bike on the water pipe outside my apartment. I put a U-lock between the water pipe and my bike frame. However, after I left my apartment for a week, it was gone!

Now I have got a new bike, which is an impressive red Giant. I was really worried that it will be stolen again. Can anyone help me by telling me what else I can do to keep my bike safe in that terrible area. Thanks a lot.
My dad recently bought a specialized bike off eBay. He bikes to work every day, so a bike is crucial, and we'd managed to persuade him to buy himself one. However, on the second day that he used it to get to work, someone cut the lock on his bike and stole it. He'd had it ten days. He's acting calm, but I cannot cope with knowing that the one time he spent money on himself, what he bought was stolen. It was stolen in Hull, at Tokenspire Business Park, and yet Shield, a company that deals with security issues, will not look on their CCTV to try trace his bike.
What can I do? He's gone to bike shops to see if it had been sold to one, and gone to the police, but surely there must be something I can do? I love my dad and cannot stand to see him hurt, but the sods who stole his bike have hurt him. How can I help?
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Old 09-06-14, 08:26 AM
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Get a dcent u-lock - a kryptonite or Abus - and read Lock Strategy
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Originally Posted by AlayiaRehila View Post
He's gone to bike shops to see if it had been sold to one, and gone to the police, but surely there must be something I can do? I love my dad and cannot stand to see him hurt, but the sods who stole his bike have hurt him. How can I help?
No, you're pretty much screwed. Sorry. Stolen bikes are very hard to trace; it will probably get sold in a pub. All you can do is make sure that you use a decent lock and do so correctly - see the link I gave.

For locking at work, I'd use a good u-lock and have a heavy chain cached there:

Bicycle Fixation: Security
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Old 09-06-14, 08:41 AM
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No, you're pretty much screwed. Sorry. Stolen bikes are very hard to trace; it will probably get sold in a pub. All you can do is make sure that you use a decent lock and do so correctly - see the link I gave.

For locking at work, I'd use a good u-lock and have a heavy chain cached there:

Bicycle Fixation: Security
That's so annoying. Thanks for your information, but it means that there really is nothing I can do. Do you know where I can get a cheap replacement specialized road bike from?
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Old 09-06-14, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AlayiaRehila View Post
That's so annoying. Thanks for your information, but it means that there really is nothing I can do. Do you know where I can get a cheap replacement specialized road bike from?
ebay is your best bet. But do read those links before using another bike!

Important question: was your father using a u-lock? If so, what brand and model? Because if he was, then you're in a high risk area and need an extra secure lock strategy. (Feel free to PM me: I did messenger work in US cities and never lost a bike. I am... Mr Bike Paranoia!)

I suspect, however, that you used a cable lock... These are fatal.
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Old 09-06-14, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by meanwhile View Post

I suspect, however, that you used a cable lock... These are fatal.
Yes, he was using a cable lock. However, his bike was in the middle of six bikes, and was the cheapest. He probably thought he was safe. I've decided to buy him a security tracker, so if it is stolen, then we'd be able to track and retrieve the bike. Any recommendations please? And thanks for advising on the best lock to use. My dad has been biking a while, but is quite trusting and naive.
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Old 09-06-14, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AlayiaRehila View Post
Yes, he was using a cable lock. However, his bike was in the middle of six bikes, and was the cheapest. He probably thought he was safe. I've decided to buy him a security tracker, so if it is stolen, then we'd be able to track and retrieve the bike. Any recommendations please? And thanks for advising on the best lock to use. My dad has been biking a while, but is quite trusting and naive.
I have no idea what tracker to use - except that if it isn't concealed inside the frame it will be useless.

I'd suggest two good u-locks used together, with one or both left at work. Plus security skewers for the seat and wheels (check Amazon.) And/or a cable for the front wheel and seat. You can get good Abus and Kryptonite U-locks on sale at Amazon right now. I like this one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ABUS-40-130H...ds=mini+u-lock

..because the small size makes it harder to get a bottlejack in. But it may make it harder to find something to lock too. (Also the shackle locks on both sides, making this lock more resistant to cutting attacks - but such attacks on u-locks are VERY rare.)

Locks are a lot more use than trackers; they are where I'd put my money. These are security skwers:

ETC Front Rear and Seat Post Skewer Set Triple Tool Locking - Black: Amazon.co.uk: Sports & Outdoors

NEVER trust a cable lock! They can be cut with 5 snips, so they're no deterent at all. Of course a thief will take an effectively unlocked bike - which is what a cable locked bike is - over a properly locked one that he can't steal!

Most of all, read that lock strategy guide. Correctly u-locked bikes virtually never get stolen unless left out at nights in high risk areas. Read this too:

Bike Theft in the City of Vancouver
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Old 09-06-14, 09:46 AM
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Wow, that report was worrying. So I'd need to buy my dad at least two bike u locks, or a personal bike bodyguard for total protection? But still, thanks for your help. You've been great!
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Originally Posted by AlayiaRehila View Post
Wow, that report was worrying. So I'd need to buy my dad at least two bike u locks, or a personal bike bodyguard for total protection? But still, thanks for your help. You've been great!
One u-lock is normally enough. But two are even better. Just use the skewers as well and, most of all, use the u-lock correctly - around part of the frame with the space in the centre of the u-lock packed tight with the bike and the Strong Object it is locked to. Then, for extra security, add the second u-lock - or heavy chain with a shielded hasp padlock - so that the bike can't be levered around. (This is one way theives try to brake u-locks, and it can wreck a bike even if the lock holds.)

And remember: you cache the "extra" lock at work where you'' lock up.

That second lock is for paranoid level security though! One good u-lock, combined with skewers and a cable that can keep the front wheel connect to the u-lock, used correctly, will deter almost all thieves.
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Old 09-06-14, 11:09 AM
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Ok, thanks for your help! I'll be able to sound knowledgeable when I advise my dad!
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Originally Posted by AlayiaRehila View Post
Ok, thanks for your help! I'll be able to sound knowledgeable when I advise my dad!
Just stick to those two makers of u-locks. "On Guard" have a rep for jamming and Masterlock for being too easily picked. Get Abus or Kryptonite! That's true even if the On Guard or Masterlock has a higher "Sold Secure" rating (the tests used for these ratings are semi-junk.)
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Good lock + cheap bike are best for leaving in a public area. Keep the good bike safely in your house.
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Good lock + cheap bike are best for leaving in a public area. Keep the good bike safely in your house.
Best, yes. But a difference big enough worth worrying about? In the UK? In 99% of the UK I'd consider a single u-lock deterrent enough for any bike for anything short of overnight locking. There's no point worrying Alaiya with unrealistic fears. Thefts of bikes secured by decent u-locks, used correctly, are very rare in the UK - even rarer outside of London.
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